P500 Help With Diagnosis

[Fatsquatch]

Roughed up a template.
I'd say it's bent.
What say y'all?

P500:
View attachment 402015

P520, aligned with main body of arm:
View attachment 402016

P520, aligned with ball joint angled end of arm:
View attachment 402017

I don’t know if it matters but that is the front half of the arm in the mounted pics and back half of arm in the removed pics. Assuming the front and rear halves of the arm mount level then yes it’s bent. But for the sake of being sure I’d check the same sides of the arms with your template.

 

[Admin]

 

[futzin]

The arm is level, not twisted. Good catch.

Here we go, same order:

 

[pappyo]

This Election is OVER.
SMITTY brain hurts.
Order up the the parts <> Time to Quit Thinking & Talking!!
My vote is in for ARCHED & NEW BALL JOINTS

Get "Er-Done" so you can do it Again.

 

[906UP]

This Election is OVER.
SMITTY brain hurts.
Order up the the parts <> Time to Quit Thinking & Talking!!
My vote is in for ARCHED & NEW BALL JOINTS

Get "Er-Done" so you can do it Again.

I agree 1000%..... here you go Link

 

[Fatsquatch]

The arm is level, not twisted. Good catch.

Here we go, same order:
View attachment 402018
View attachment 402019
View attachment 402020

Bummer! Time to order parts. But the good news is at least you know where the problem is.

 

[futzin]

I was starting to think I wouldn't find a smoking gun. But the camber was so far out after replacing the outer tie rod and adjusting toe . . . wasn't happy.

Quite possibly other smaller issue(s) I'm not seeing that may be adverse; but hopefully this is the vast majority of the problem.

 

[Smitty335]

I was starting to think I wouldn't find a smoking gun. But the camber was so far out after replacing the outer tie rod and adjusting toe . . . wasn't happy.

Quite possibly other smaller issue(s) I'm not seeing that may be adverse; but hopefully this is the vast majority of the problem.

Congrats on the find.

 

[futzin]

Big thanks to Queen B, Princess B, Royal B!!

 

[Smitty335]

Congrats on the find.

 

[Smitty335]

Big thanks to Queen B, Princess B, Royal B!!

@KyGal83knievel.

 

[KyGal83]

Big thanks to Queen B, Princess B, Royal B!!

I was about to get indignant then realized… shoot, he ain’t wrong! … I will wear the crown, it’s fits pretty good.

 

[Splorin]

‘Tastes great, less filling’ with the assist…..

 

[JayPo]

‘Tastes great, less filling’ with the assist…..

not so sure about the "tastes great" part, but at least he found a use for the Miller Lite.

 

[futzin]

Update:

Got some virtually unused arms from a forum member, installed on machine. Re-set tie rods adjustments to factory. No change, still bad toe out on passenger side.

Started looking harder at the mounting tabs and alignment of them. Put a straight edge on both sides (upper arm mounts. Passenger side upper a-arm mounts are not in alignment as the driver's side is. BTW, this is where @lee said to take a closer look.

Driver's side pic:

Passenger side:

I could use some advice.

 

[Fatsquatch]

Did you have any trouble bolting the new-ish arms into the tabs?

 

[futzin]

Did you have any trouble bolting the new-ish arms into the tabs?

no, that went fine

 

[The Green Goat]

Start looking for cracked paint on the frame.

 

[Smitty335]

Update:

Got some virtually unused arms from a forum member, installed on machine. Re-set tie rods adjustments to factory. No change, still bad toe out on passenger side.

Started looking harder at the mounting tabs and alignment of them. Put a straight edge on both sides (upper arm mounts. Passenger side upper a-arm mounts are not in alignment as the driver's side is. BTW, this is where @lee said to take a closer look.

Driver's side pic:
View attachment 405929

Passenger side:
View attachment 405930
View attachment 405931

I could use some advice.

?????? Is it time to make sure 100% your steering box is good?

 

[futzin]

Start looking for cracked paint on the frame.

Haven't found any yet, on the frame. The issue arose from a pinch situation, as opposed to a hard hit. I feel like a bent frame is unlikely, but I don't much know what I'm doing really.

There is some slight paint cracked at the passenger rear upper arm mount (the one with the obvious bent tab, which I've 'straightened' with a hammer).

 

[futzin]

?????? Is it time to make sure 100% your steering box is good?

I'm being told a steering issue would result in a toe issue, but not camber.

Applicable here, or not?