P500 Help With Diagnosis

[NTCPrezJB]

Went for a ride.

Toe still out a little, but camber is off.

Ideas?View attachment 401666

Camber isn’t adjustable on the stock setup

 

[Admin]

 

[futzin]

Camber isn’t adjustable on the stock setup

Correct

 

[futzin]

I think PrincessB has found the bent part.
Passenger side A-arm, bent at the ball joint mount.

520:

500:

Tried to get the pics as similar as possible...

 

[The Green Goat]

Went for a ride.

Toe still out a little, but camber is off.

Ideas?View attachment 401666

You don't have your preload cranked way up on those Elkas, do you?

 

[futzin]

Some, to match stock height.

 

[futzin]

 

[futzin]

520:

500:

Also possible slight bend/twist in the lower front A-arm mount.

 

[futzin]

500, rt. front:

500, left front:

 

[KyGal83]

I think PrincessB has found the bent part.
Passenger side A-arm, bent at the ball joint mount.

Hey! I am a Queen B.. none of this “Princess” bull hockey.

 

[Smitty335]

Hey! I am a Queen B.. none of this “Princess” bull hockey.

Good eye!

 

[futzin]

I figure I have a couple of options.

1. Replace passenger upper A-arm, realign, then see if lower A-arm/mounts still an issue. Pretty sure there's a little wonkiness in possibly both the lower A-arm and it's mount(s) at the frame.

2. Upgrade to arched A-arms, giving me the option to adjust camber. Could install 28" tires at some point as well.

Thoughts?

 

[Smitty335]

I figure I have a couple of options.

1. Replace passenger upper A-arm, realign, then see if lower A-arm/mounts still an issue. Pretty sure there's a little wonkiness in possibly both the lower A-arm and it's mount(s) at the frame.

2. Upgrade to arched A-arms, giving me the option to adjust camber. Could install 28" tires at some point as well.

Thoughts?

Unless your up graded A-Arms come with rubber insulated bushings, get used to changing bushings.

 

[NTCPrezJB]

I figure I have a couple of options.

1. Replace passenger upper A-arm, realign, then see if lower A-arm/mounts still an issue. Pretty sure there's a little wonkiness in possibly both the lower A-arm and it's mount(s) at the frame.

2. Upgrade to arched A-arms, giving me the option to adjust camber. Could install 28" tires at some point as well.

Thoughts?

3…run it and limit pavement to limit tire wear

 

[CID]

3…run it and limit pavement to limit tire wear

This is what I'd do. If the toe-in is correct and both wheels are cambered 'about' the same, I'd run it. To check camber, just put a level on each tire vertically, measure the inward/outward tilt at the 'gapped' end of the level (top or bottom). Tire bulge is irrelevant as long as both are measured the same way.

Like this but measure the gap to a bubble level instead of a string.

 

[The Green Goat]

I figure I have only one option:

1. Upgrade to arched A-arms, giving me the option to adjust camber. Could install 28" tires at some point as well.

Thoughts?

I mean, you're not giving me much choice here, but I see nothing wrong with this. That's what I would do.

 

[futzin]

This is what I'd do. If the toe-in is correct and both wheels are cambered 'about' the same, I'd run it. To check camber, just put a level on each tire vertically, measure the inward/outward tilt at the 'gapped' end of the level (top or bottom). Tire bulge is irrelevant as long as both are measured the same way.

Like this but measure the gap to a bubble level instead of a string.
View attachment 401750

Camber is off badly on passenger wheel.
I'll not be driving it as it is...

 

[futzin]

What am I missing?

Why would I not, at a minimum, replace the bent upper A-arm?

 

[NTCPrezJB]

What am I missing?

Why would I not, at a minimum, replace the bent upper A-arm?

You can probably see the bend in the A arm better than I can in the pictures. I can see the off camber wheel in the pic but I don’t see the bend in the arm. If I did, I would tell you to replace it.

 

[pappyo]

Queen B has you Barking at the right Damage.
Fix it right & complete
Straighten frame A-Arm brackets or have done if it is not your skill level.
Or Pay in Tires.

Since you NEED <> A-Arms <> Arched is the <> "Only way to go".
Kinda like get to getting Arched at <> 1/2 price.

Its only <>> Time & $$$$

 

[trigger]

2. Upgrade to arched A-arms, giving me the option to adjust camber. Could install 28" tires at some point as well.

I'd be getting those SATV arms. Might even be cheaper than oem?