P1000 Clutches burnt up

[TOOLOUD]

Talked to the service manager today. He said he has had two in with the issue. The first one was due for service they serviced the machine and it hasn't slipped since. One is in there now and there are going to service it and see it it stops. Mine just hit 94 miles so I'm service it and go from there

Wonder if we changed fluids to something different like royal purple full synthetic or something similar- wonder if it would help the clutch slipping issues

 

[Admin]

 

[PioneerPete]

Pretty sure they only add 2" per side. I also haven't seen them on a non lifted SxS. - always stacked on 6/8/10" lifts.

The portals are supposed to be a 30% GR in them.
I was asking what our gear ratio was ?

may be on the 2" per side, I'm not sure. I had 4 stuck in my head, but maybe that was the overall width increase. I don't know the p1k gear ratio.

 

[TOOLOUD]

Me neither - but I know guys have been swapping gears in atv diffs for years to get better ratios. Heck I have a 69% GR in my 500 foreman and it will sling my 29.5 wide laws

 

[joeymt33]

You tried it in low gear as well?

I was only in low gear. With 30" tires, I can go about 4mph at the slowest before it starts shuddering.

 

[JACKAL]

Pretty sure they only add 2" per side. I also haven't seen them on a non lifted SxS. - always stacked on 6/8/10" lifts.

The portals are supposed to be a 30% GR in them.
I was asking what our gear ratio was ?

Every ratio for each of the six gears as well as the H / L / R ratios in the subtransmission are in the owners manual. I put mine out in the shop but just seen them 2 days ago.

 

[TOOLOUD]

Every ratio for each of the six gears as well as the H / L / R ratios in the subtransmission are in the owners manual. I put mine out in the shop but just seen them 2 days ago.

I understand that - but the diffs could provide a lower ratio too. Example my ole 650V2 Arctic cat had 3.6 gears and would run 72 mph with 28" outlaws. I put 4.0 gears in it to help it pull 29.5 laws and it might run 55 mph post gear swap. A brute has 4.1 gears ...

 

[joeymt33]

I understand that - but the diffs could provide a lower ratio too. Example my ole 650V2 Arctic cat had 3.6 gears and would run 72 mph with 28" outlaws. I put 4.0 gears in it to help it pull 29.5 laws and it might run 55 mph post gear swap. A brute has 4.1 gears ...

Let's hope someone makes a gear set for the diffs.

Hopefully Honda will have the solution to the problem.

 

[TOOLOUD]

Soon as someone blows a diff up then we can start searching for interchangeable parts - by tooth counts - ring gear / pinion gears

 

[PioneerPete]

 

[Serial_Fordicator]

On second thought, a lower gear set in the subtrans wouldn't fix the reverse gear.

We need new gear sets in the diffs.

I bet the portal boxes will sell pretty good for these pioneers. Too bad they make the vehicle so wide and tall. I don't want any taller or wider.

The subtransmission controls high, low, and reverse. The dct runs the same at all times. It's the subtransmission that changes.

 

[PioneerPete]

I would prefer for the solution to be in the sub tranny low gear set vs a diff swap, so we could still get the good top end out of the high gear.

 

[PioneerPete]

so who is drafting our "official" hondasxs forum letter to big H over in SC @Hondasxs ???lol we're gonna armchair engineer this thang if that's what it takes!lol

 

[joeymt33]

The subtransmission controls high, low, and reverse. The dct runs the same at all times. It's the subtransmission that changes.

I thought the DCT changes between all six gears and be sub trans changes between H,L, and R.

If there were lower gears available for the subtrans, it would need to include the "low" gear set and the "reverse" gear set. That way we could have the speed on the top end if the "high" gear set wasn't changed.

 

[Serial_Fordicator]

And I hate to be the bearer of bad news, but honda is not going to change anything for us. They may change something for a later year model, but I'd be willing to bet that they've already had a meeting(s) to discuss the current issue and have came up with the cheapest way to handle the situation. Which would be to repair under warranty until warranty expires, or warranty until a specific dollar amount is surpassed, then deny clutch warranties. Alot of you put honda on a pedestal, but they are a company, plain and simple, with investors to make money.

 

[Serial_Fordicator]

I thought the DCT changes between all six gears and be sub trans changes between H,L, and R.

If there were lower gears available for the subtrans, it would need to include the "low" gear set and the "reverse" gear set. That way we could have the speed on the top end if the "high" gear set wasn't changed.

Thats what I meant. I didn't know you knew reverse was in the subtransmission by your post I quoted earlier

 

[joeymt33]

Maybe we need the aftermarket to step up if Honda doesn't. I believe I will call my dealer see if they will still offer the extended warranty.

 

[TOOLOUD]

Portals might be easiest not so cheap solution

 

[PioneerPete]

And I hate to be the bearer of bad news, but honda is not going to change anything for us. They may change something for a later year model, but I'd be willing to bet that they've already had a meeting(s) to discuss the current issue and have came up with the cheapest way to handle the situation. Which would be to repair under warranty until warranty expires, or warranty until a specific dollar amount is surpassed, then deny clutch warranties. Alot of you put honda on a pedestal, but they are a company, plain and simple, with investors to make money.

why would it be cheaper to replace clutches than to replace our low and reverse gears?

 

[TOOLOUD]

Maybe we need the aftermarket to step up if Honda doesn't. I believe I will call my dealer see if they will still offer the extended warranty.

You have one year to purchase it

 

[joeymt33]

I've changed gears in trucks many times. It's not really that expensive and not too hard.

It probably would be cheaper to replace gears once verses clutches several times. That's assuming that it's easy to get to. It may be less man hours to get into the subtrans vs the DCT, don't know?