P1000 Transmission Rattle

[wojtalon]

still trying to figure it out. I had my suspension tuned and it's still a rattle bucket. I'm down to thinking it's the dual rate plastic spring sleeves that are rattling/making that noise on the small chop. I'm thinking of running a test by taking the top spring and sleeve completely off and run only the lower larger spring just to see if that rattle bucket noise goes away. I recently learned that shock therapy sells replacement sleeves that are thicker. The tolerance would be less between the shock and the sleeve, thus not able to move side to side as much and possibly reduce that noise. I chalk it up to just loud suspension from all the moving parts. every time I drive it, I can't believe how noisy it is. I'll continue testing to find out what is truly causing the rattle bucket noise.

 

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[DG Rider]

Is it possible this is a bit of spark knock?

 

[wojtalon]

The rattling noise I’m hearing has nothing to do with the engine. This is in the moving parts of the rear suspension.

 

[russknight]

It's not ignition related. I suspect it is the cam chain tensioner, but I haven't had the energy or desire to tear it down to see.

 

[wm4u]

It's not ignition related. I suspect it is the cam chain tensioner, but I haven't had the energy or desire to tear it down to see.

Mine will go away when above 3k rpm. It also does it worse after everything heats up and I'm riding for a while.

 

[LeslieFarmer]

I have a 2021 with 6600 miles and mine stared make noise a 400 miles so I started using 100 percent gas and all noise went away

 

[LeslieFarmer]

The ethanol gas has moisture in it try 100 percent gas and see if it goes away

 

[wm4u]

The ethanol gas has moisture in it try 100 percent gas and see if it goes away

Next time i fill up im going to try it!

 

[Scotw]

My 2021 Pioneer 1000-5 just started doing it with 600 miles on it. After it's warm it is way more noticeable. So while driving down my street I put it in Neutral and everything went away. My noise is Drivetrain/transmission noise for sure under "load" and it has the ball bearing rattle too...

I sure wish someone would figure this out cause this is pretty obnoxious.... If this is normal I will probably get rid of it because it sounds like the running gears of hell between the high pitch "Whine" from the trans and this dam rattle....

 

[bridgermgmt]

So mine started doing this at 200 miles. It also had a whine but that went away after the 600 mile service.

I asked during that 600 service what it could be and they said it was not something they could replicate and not to worry. Since then, I could only get it to occur in certain conditions. So I figured it was just me being picky. Then one day when I was running for animal feed, I noticed that when I sustain between 28-33 mph I get that rattle, like something is knocking around in a tin can kind of thing. As soon as I get up above 35 or below 28 its totally gone. This is on a paved, flat, non bumpy road. When I originally told the dealer about it, I could not get the noise to happen consistently. And I was unsure of the location it could be from. Now I can get it to happen 100 out of 100 and with the cab on, you can only hear it loudly when you're sitting in the back or the back window is open.

Luckily this is only two pages long, so when I go see the dealer, I can read off the ideas in this thread as if I know what is what lol. I hope to have an answer on this. I wasn't to worried because I have the warranty and hunting season is almost over. So if my rig is going to be down for a while at least I won't miss it to much : )

 

[aspire]

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So mine started doing this at 200 miles. It also had a whine but that went away after the 600 mile service.

I asked during that 600 service what it could be and they said it was not something they could replicate and not to worry. Since then, I could only get it to occur in certain conditions. So I figured it was just me being picky. Then one day when I was running for animal feed, I noticed that when I sustain between 28-33 mph I get that rattle, like something is knocking around in a tin can kind of thing. As soon as I get up above 35 or below 28 its totally gone. This is on a paved, flat, non bumpy road. When I originally told the dealer about it, I could not get the noise to happen consistently. And I was unsure of the location it could be from. Now I can get it to happen 100 out of 100 and with the cab on, you can only hear it loudly when you're sitting in the back or the back window is open.

Luckily this is only two pages long, so when I go see the dealer, I can read off the ideas in this thread as if I know what is what lol. I hope to have an answer on this. I wasn't to worried because I have the warranty and hunting season is almost over. So if my rig is going to be down for a while at least I won't miss it to much : )

Any progress figuring this out? I have a 2020 Honda Pioneer 1000-3 with this exact issue. Flat pavement, accelerating between 28 and 33 the rattle noise and then disappears as the RPMs increase. Sounds terrible while in the cab and is eroding my enjoyment of the machine. I am going to tear into it one weekend soon to see if it is related to a loose heat shield.

 

[wm4u]

Any progress figuring this out? I have a 2020 Honda Pioneer 1000-3 with this exact issue. Flat pavement, accelerating between 28 and 33 the rattle noise and then disappears as the RPMs increase. Sounds terrible while in the cab and is eroding my enjoyment of the machine. I am going to tear into it one weekend soon to see if it is related to a loose heat shield.

I have since put on hundreds of more miles on mine. Mine still does it with zero issues. I have been told its normal but it definitely sounds like a heat shield. Mine also does it on start up.

 

[mlynch001]

The Pioneer 1000 has what used to be considered an "odd" firing arrangement. In parallel twins today, this firing arrangement has become the norm. The power pulses are delivered to the primary gears in an uneven fashion. The engine is a parallel twin with a 90 degree crank throw separation. The "270 degree crank" has advantages, but also suffers from very irregular power pulses at low RPM. Irregular power pulses, high loads and low RPM cause the gears to load and unload, inducing a "rattle" from the primary and transmission gears as they go through the load/unload cycle.

 

[russknight]

The Pioneer 1000 has what used to be considered an "odd" firing arrangement. In parallel twins today, this firing arrangement has become the norm. The power pulses are delivered to the primary gears in an uneven fashion. The engine is a parallel twin with a 90 degree crank throw separation. The "270 degree crank" has advantages, but also suffers from very irregular power pulses at low RPM. Irregular power pulses, high loads and low RPM cause the gears to load and unload, inducing a "rattle" from the primary and transmission gears as they go through the load/unload cycle.

So, it's an inherit vehicle characteristic.

 

[mlynch001]

So, it's an inherit vehicle characteristic.

Yes, it is. This crank configuration has many advantages, but does suffer from the issue described above.

 

[jzimbo12]

Does it sound a little like marbles rattling around the heat shields? Cause I've noticed something similar too

Did you ever discover the issue to this? I have a 2022 1000-5 Forest and have the same sound (coins in a tin can). I took it to the dealer and they say it's normal, but it sure doesn't seem normal to me and doesn't do it all the time.

 

[JenElio]

Did you ever discover the issue to this? I have a 2022 1000-5 Forest and have the same sound (coins in a tin can). I took it to the dealer and they say it's normal, but it sure doesn't seem normal to me and doesn't do it all the time.

Everything I read and everyone I spoke with said same thing...."normal"....

I did notice it would do it more when it should've been in a lower gear kinda like it was running too low rpms. I've also "learned" to drive the machine better and "it" has learned my driving style 😂 the DCT supposed to learn "your" driving habits........that or I just got used to hearing the damn thing 🤷‍♂️

BTW....welcome from south Florida ✌

Start up an intro thread and post some pics of your ride 👍

 

[HondaTech]

Did you ever discover the issue to this? I have a 2022 1000-5 Forest and have the same sound (coins in a tin can). I took it to the dealer and they say it's normal, but it sure doesn't seem normal to me and doesn't do it all the time.

The 2022 model is going to sound different even more so than the 2021 and older.

Honda removed the "sprung" drive gear for the clutch and used the solid one out of the Talon. If you lay under the 2022 Pioneer while it's running you'll almost swear it's rod knock.

 

[mlynch001]

The 2022 model is going to sound different even more so than the 2021 and older.

Honda removed the "sprung" drive gear for the clutch and used the solid one out of the Talon. If you lay under the 2022 Pioneer while it's running you'll almost swear it's rod knock.

Wow, that is crazy. i wonder what the logic is behind that move?

 

[P1K5Dave]

The Pioneer 1000 has what used to be considered an "odd" firing arrangement. In parallel twins today, this firing arrangement has become the norm. The power pulses are delivered to the primary gears in an uneven fashion. The engine is a parallel twin with a 90 degree crank throw separation. The "270 degree crank" has advantages, but also suffers from very irregular power pulses at low RPM. Irregular power pulses, high loads and low RPM cause the gears to load and unload, inducing a "rattle" from the primary and transmission gears as they go through the load/unload cycle.

I've bookmarked this bit of tech to post on future questions - thank you @mlynch001 (anyone doubting his bona fides should read his build thread...)

My reply has always been that this is normal and the solution is to hit that left paddle, drop a gear and bring your R's up...or if it's a long moderate grade, hit Sport Mode.

This machine just wants to upshift all the time.