P1000 Clutches...

[Crow_Hunter]

Sounds like the last 1/3rd of Trail 26. That is a serious spot when muddy like it was. I can definitely see that happening with a failed brake line. Those switchback are a 42 degrees incline. I got on it like that in a P500 and it cold barely crawl it up in fist gear, just stalled in 2nd.

What is annoying about all of this is that your P500 stalled in 2nd gear, which means it was spinning the crank shaft and not spinning the wheels, which by default means that the clutch was slipping.

You can do that in a $10k machine with no damage but in a $20k machine, you do that for 10 seconds and ruin the clutch....

 

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[JACKAL]

What is annoying about all of this is that your P500 stalled in 2nd gear, which means it was spinning the crank shaft and not spinning the wheels, which by default means that the clutch was slipping.

You can do that in a $10k machine with no damage but in a $20k machine, you do that for 10 seconds and ruin the clutch....

Every design has its strength and weaknesses.

 

[Crow_Hunter]

Every design has its strength and weaknesses.

Yes and an unfortunate weakness for those of us who use it on a hill all the time.

 

[Hondasxs]

Sorry to hear @JTW. Honda will get you fixed up.

Agreed, a E-break or at least a method to auto iscolat the front/rear on failure so at least 1/2 work.

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[JTW]

As long as they take care of me I have no problem with it... I just want it fixed, and fixed right. I don't want to have to worry about it in the future. Throwing another set of the same clutches in isn't a fix. It's just a bandaid if the issue isn't fixed with them.

 

[Crow_Hunter]

As long as they take care of me I have no problem with it... I just want it fixed, and fixed right. I don't want to have to worry about it in the future. Throwing another set of the same clutches in isn't a fix. It's just a bandaid if the issue isn't fixed with them.

Please let us know what they do, if anything, to make improvements.

I have gotten the impression from others experiences that it was just a clutch replacement but maybe there is a second step that isn't always clear that they do.

 

[Deerslayer]

I have been reading about clutches and gear reduction because I want to purchase the p1000 next year and these issues have put a lot of doubt in my mine about honda. I hope honda has the will to fix this because this seems to be a real problem since they talk about no belts I have a kawasaki with a belt and have never had problems. Does anyone know that this clutch issue is being officially addressed by honda. I think something is going to have to change with this machine.

 

[JTW]

I have been reading about clutches and gear reduction because I want to purchase the p1000 next year and these issues have put a lot of doubt in my mine about honda. I hope honda has the will to fix this because this seems to be a real problem since they talk about no belts I have a kawasaki with a belt and have never had problems. Does anyone know that this clutch issue is being officially addressed by honda. I think something is going to have to change with this machine.

Yeah.. they're working on it. It's really not a big deal.. just more of a pain in the ass. Like I say... as long as they get it done and taken care of, who cares? So long as the rest of us aren't left out to dry! My biggest complaint at this point is the lack of e-brake! I believe I would have been one of those got a little time out of the clutches before they failed. But it was eventually going to happen.

 

[JTW]

It won't happen.. but it would be VERY interesting to see everyone put them in a similar controlled situation and time the moment of failure. I think everyone would be surprised how close to failure they really are. I think that why driver error is playing such a huge role in many. I knew what was coming with mine but I had no choice and I really didn't expect it to be so rapid.

 

[Crow_Hunter]

It won't happen.. but it would be VERY interesting to see everyone put them in a similar controlled situation and time the moment of failure. I think everyone would be surprised how close to failure they really are. I think that why driver error is playing such a huge role in many. I knew what was coming with mine but I had no choice and I really didn't expect it to be so rapid.

I think there is a stack up of tolerances that puts those that have that combination at a marginal operational state and a slight mistake on an operators part and you get slipping. That is why some people can wear them out with no problems and others get slipping.

What I am afraid of is that when they do come up with a fix, it will be like the water ingestion fix.

We do need an e-brake.

 

[JTW]

I think there is a stack up of tolerances that puts those that have that combination at a marginal operational state and a slight mistake on an operators part and you get slipping. That is why some people can wear them out with no problems and others get slipping.

What I am afraid of is that when they do come up with a fix, it will be like the water ingestion fix.

We do need an e-brake.

I hope you're wrong... and I think you will be because they're already replacing clutches.

 

[Crow_Hunter]

I hope you're wrong... and I think you will be because they're already replacing clutches.

I hope I am.

Replacing clutches under what circumstances? Burnt under warranty or as a preemptive technical service bulletin?

 

[popeye]

I hope you're wrong... and I think you will be because they're already replacing clutches.

I know your preaching for a ebrake. And I agree, but just wondering if during a moment of brake failure, could a driver quickly slam it into Park. And hope the pin holds up

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[ohanacreek]

I know your preaching for a ebrake. And I agree, but just wondering if during a moment of brake failure, could a driver quickly slam it into Park. And hope the pin holds up

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That sounds like a bad idea you'd have to go through neutral and reverse first.

E-Brake is needed. Someone was trying a driveline mounted e-brake... sounds brilliant.

 

[JACKAL]

I know your preaching for a ebrake. And I agree, but just wondering if during a moment of brake failure, could a driver quickly slam it into Park. And hope the pin holds up

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Then you risk bending the shifting fork in the sub-transmission like mine did. Been there done that.

 

[popeye]

Then you risk bending the shifting fork in the sub-transmission like mine did. Been there done that.

Is the front and rear brakes not seperate from each other like a car or tuck? If you damage one line any where on the rig you losse all brakes? Not just half?

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[JACKAL]

Is the front and rear brakes not seperate from each other like a car or tuck? If you damage one line any where on the rig you losse all brakes? Not just half?

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Damage one line lose all reserve fluid, then all brakes.

 

[popeye]

Damage one line lose all reserve fluid, then all brakes.

That seems crazy that they didnt use a baffle in the resivoir of the master for that sort of situation. I dont own a honda car but i bet thats not the case on one of there on road vehicles.

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[JACKAL]

That seems crazy that they didnt use a baffle in the resivoir of the master for that sort of situation. I dont own a honda car but i bet thats not the case on one of there on road vehicles.

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Off road vehicles do not have to meet DOT safety guidelines, so they don't build them that way.

 

[CumminsPusher]

Off road vehicles do not have to meet DOT safety guidelines, so they don't build them that way.

Kind of surprising Honda didn't considering all the stuff they are proud about taking from the car division.