P1000 P1000 front alignment

[Marine660]

I was able to fix my steering wheel. When the dealer recives the unit the wheel is not installed and is a simple nut under the center cap. Remove this nut and the steering whee. Can be slid off the shaft and reinstalled at the correct position. It took me 5 minutes.

My steering wheel is crooked too. The top is at 10 o clock when driving straight.

 

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[HogHunter]

Wow! Honda needs to really get there s*** together! If I receive my new machine with front end out of alignment I will have to tell them to just keep the dam thing and I will just go without a sxs until I when the lottery and show them how to build a quality sxs people would be proud to buy. I expect small issues due to it being totally new, but front end alignment should be spot on before it leaves the factory. That's just workers at Honda not doing there job just like if there is loose nuts and bolts and just like the doors not being adjusted. When you buy something new you have expectations. I bought a new Polaris ranger last year and when I got it home it dam near burned up the engine because they didn't have the electric fan plugged in from the factory. You would think they would have a check list that they double check on each unit. Like right before they create them up have someone check all the important s***. That's the easiest part HONDA! Check your s*** before you sale it to hard working Americans that deserve quality craftsmanship that they pay dearly for!!!! Rant over!

I noticed the right tire on mine pointing out but when I took it to the dealer the mechanic said that if you stand further back it is correct and that the closer you get it looks off he said Honda had stated that the front end looks out up close but its not as I got further back it does look correct.

 

[cwalton]

Does anyone with the service manual know what the toe in/out needs to be? I am noticing slight tire wear with 250 miles.

 

[Stauvo]

Too much toe out will also be proven if you shut the machine off on a quiet day, put in neutral and roll it across the cement. You will hear the tires binding against the concrete and also see scuff marks on the tire knobs.

 

[cwalton]

I have about 1/4 inch toe out measured on the front rim edge compared to the back rim edge. Just wondering what the manual states.

 

[Null]

Mine has 167 miles on it and has serious wear on the left front tire. When the left tire is straight the right side was toed out quite a bit. adjusted it today and seems fine other that a tire with bad cupping. Never had this with any other buggy this new. Not too excited about it.

 

[CumminsPusher]

Does anyone with the service manual know what the toe in/out needs to be? I am noticing slight tire wear with 250 miles.

They are easy to adjust. I go 3/16 wider in the back to allow tired to "straighten them selves" or push back at speed. We now have 1700 on ours and the tires still look pretty good considering

 

[Stauvo]

They are easy to adjust. I go 3/16 wider in the back to allow tired to "straighten them selves" at speed. We now have 1700 on ours and the tires still look pretty good considering

Hi CumminsPusher,
How do you be sure with yourself that you have both wheels straight forward and parallel before setting the 3/16 measurement? This is the area that intimidates me.

 

[CumminsPusher]

Hi CumminsPusher,
How do you be sure with yourself that you have both wheels straight forward and parallel before setting the 3/16 measurement? This is the area that intimidates me.

most of the time we do this up in the woods so this may sound crude "because we don't park it in a warm garage with air tools or have Honda do it) but first loosen both steering control arms thes set set steering wheel straight. I prefer to do this on the ground as the rig is sitting correctly. Take a straight edge(2x4 angle iron ect) longer is better set against rear tire on the ground but make sure it looks even as you look down at the rear tire then set another straight edge against front tire the exact same way and eyeball to the rear straight edge move front in/out to match leave loose repeat on opposite side get them pretty close. Measure across front insides of tire and same on the rear making sure the point you're measuring from is the same on bot sides I generally don't use the tread I'll use the flat part of the tire. Back should be 3/16 wider but both tires were close to straight so split that between both tires. One turn is huge go slow. Tighten go for a ride ill feel great but come back in set 2x4s again have someone check the front while you find exact center make sure steering wheel is back straight and the front 2x4s look a little wide in back tires look good and check again for wider gap in rear as long as it's very close to 3/16 it's good. Also works on trucks. The next time you do it will be fast. We have to do this at least once a month. Any rig even new we will do this kind of alignment to. Factory is crap I think they do it on purpose. I'd check alignment every 200 or so and any time steering isn't straight ( unless it's a dirt road machine) it's super easy and tire life can be 3 times(especially since you can't rotate tire because of the offsets) I'll even do the rears occasionally but that's a pain in the ass. I would honestly check the front and every couple maybe 300 miles at least more if you ride on more then just dirt roads and always do it on a new machine tires are really expensive you can get double life easy and factory settings are crap always even if it feels good. Hope this helps good luck

 

[Stauvo]

most of the time we do this up in the woods so this may sound crude "because we don't park it in a warm garage with air tools or have Honda do it) but first loosen both steering control arms thes set set steering wheel straight. I prefer to do this on the ground as the rig is sitting correctly. Take a straight edge(2x4 angle iron ect) longer is better set against rear tire on the ground but make sure it looks even as you look down at the rear tire then set another straight edge against front tire the exact same way and eyeball to the rear straight edge move front in/out to match leave loose repeat on opposite side get them pretty close. Measure across front insides of tire and same on the rear making sure the point you're measuring from is the same on bot sides I generally don't use the tread I'll use the flat part of the tire. Back should be 3/16 wider but both tires were close to straight so split that between both tires. One turn is huge go slow. Tighten go for a ride ill feel great but come back in set 2x4s again have someone check the front while you find exact center make sure steering wheel is back straight and the front 2x4s look a little wide in back tires look good and check again for wider gap in rear as long as it's very close to 3/16 it's good. Also works on trucks. The next time you do it will be fast. We have to do this at least once a month. Any rig even new we will do this kind of alignment to. Factory is crap I think they do it on purpose. I'd check alignment every 200 or so and any time steering isn't straight ( unless it's a dirt road machine) it's super easy and tire life can be 3 times(especially since you can't rotate tire because of the offsets) I'll even do the rears occasionally but that's a pain in the ass. I would honestly check the front and every couple maybe 300 miles at least more if you ride on more then just dirt roads and always do it on a new machine tires are really expensive you can get double life easy and factory settings are crap always even if it feels good. Hope this helps good luck

Awesome! I will print this for reference.

Thanks!

 

[CumminsPusher]

Awesome! I will print this for reference.

Thanks!

You won't need it a second time. Once it's done the first time it's easier than it sounds. After doing it a couple times you won't need the 2 x 4's

 

[pct]

I have had several sxs none of them was aligned I got mine aligned on a regular alignment machine I set my toe in 1/8 just like the ohters and it drives like a car

 

[Stauvo]

I have had several sxs none of them was aligned I got mine aligned on a regular alignment machine I set my toe in 1/8 just like the ohters and it drives like a car

Yes when I picked mine up last week i asked if they aligned and he said yep its a quarte inch out in front. I said that too far for me. He said it provided a saftey buffer. I said it will drive through corners lazy and feel and unsecure. They just dodge having to align them properly and yes mine is lazy like i predicted.

 

[Hudge]

Mine is toed out on passenger side 300miles and noticed tire scuffed off also my steering wheel was out I fixed I will set toe asap

 

[Smitty335]

Seems like you would pull a center line and adjust from there, just like you would do a trailer?

 

[DRAGFOOT]

The manual states 3/16"toe IN.

 

[CumminsPusher]

3/16 is what I shoot for. It's crazy it gives you almost a half inch of error! I'd disregard that statement


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[Stauvo]

Im in the ball park too. It made such a difference on my front tire wear and steering confidence.

 

[ToddACimer]

3/16 is what I shoot for. It's crazy it gives you almost a half inch of error! I'd disregard that statement


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I think the large tolerance is on the basis of a significant change between static and dynamic toe. I'm somewhat surprised that Honda suggests setting the toe empty rather than at normal riding payload. These machines have a tendency to toe in under suspension load so a neutral toe or toe out setting would reduce over steer a bit if you're riding aggressively

 

[Windrock1000]

I think the large tolerance is on the basis of a significant change between static and dynamic toe. I'm somewhat surprised that Honda suggests setting the toe empty rather than at normal riding payload. These machines have a tendency to toe in under suspension load so a neutral toe or toe out setting would reduce over steer a bit if you're riding aggressively

Agreed. I set mind up neutral and it tracks very well.