P1000m5 Anyone have regrets?

[ohanacreek]

@ohanacreek,

You make it sound like everyone that has had problems are the ones to blame. Show me one instance of a clutch burning up or a bent connecting rod, because the engine ingested water, that was the owners fault. You should be able to spin tires pulling someone out all day long and not burn up you're clutch. Or drive through any amount of water, especially 2-3" and not have to worry about breaking your engine. These are the things that are serious negatives that should have been dealt with before it ever hit the market. You shouldn't have to snorkel and fix the vent lines on a new machine just to prevent catastrophic damage to your brand new machine, then have Honda tell you it was your fault! Hondas just aren't supposed to have these types of problems from the get go. It's very disappointing coming from a Honda product.

That is not what I said, read it all again. I faulted no one, I said whoever did cause it, needs to own up to it, whether that is the the Driver OR HONDA.

I don't understand there is a WHOLE AFTERMARKET for CVT clutches and its accepted that they suck. Honda has @3% of them fail (for a S.W.A.G., "I" speculate about half of that is on the owner and half is on Honda) and people lose there minds. Only a few of those have not been covered by warranty BUT there were public admissions of OBVIOUS GLARING FAULT. Then the way the local Multi-brand dealer would tell you ALL Pioneer 1000s have clutch failures before you get them to the initial service, BUT they are the biggest Polaris dealer in town.....I'll let you make your own assumptions on that one.

Lets not forget the aftermarket for Polaris: balljoints, axles, reverse chains, a-arms, bushings, control arms, that are expected to be replaced if you are going to do anything more than ride around your yard...etc.... Then add on flaming balls of POPO that cause recalls because of injuries and deaths....but thats accepted and expected...(shakes head)

2-3 Feet of water is one thing 2-3 inches hasn't caused anyone trouble. Unless that 2-3 inches was on top of 2-3 feet of water. The intake on the 1000 is ALMOST 3' off the ground if you hit a hole at 15-20 mph water is going to get PUSHED over the grill and possibly under the hood into the intake? If you go into 3' deep water that is BEYOND the expectations of the design and thats DEEP water, that IS your fault!

You don't have to snorkel the intake or the vent lines, unless you plan on riding through 2-3' of water or ACCIDENTALLY finding a mud hole the swallows the front of your vehicle. I do it JUST in case I find a hole that swallows the front of my vehicle or it gets suddenly deeper than I expected. I don't ever plan on riding through water deeper than about 18-24 inches, and I am not going to hit that water at 35mph. Ever been skiing and fallen at 35mph? Water is amazingly hard at that speed.

If you aren't spinning the tires then the clutch is slipping if you are spinning the tires then its not slipping, don't slip the clutch in a violent manner, you wouldn't do it in anything else with a clutch and NOT fear burning it up. I have seen plenty of Jeeps and Samurais burn up their clutch trying to get unstuck or past an obstacle and were experienced drivers. IT STILL HAPPENS and its still not Jeeps fault. Use your winch if you or someone else is stuck that badly, and have it wired to an isolated second(or third or fourth) battery just like most full-size off-roaders expecting to use their winch do. If you're stuck so bad it drains the battery, you have to wait till it charges back up and keep winching. Also carry proper recovery gear, a ratchet strap is NOT recovery gear.

Did you roll it and bend the ROPS? well its not supposed to be laying on the ROPS thats an acronym for Roll Over Protection System not the drive train.

I am sure you can buy a doomsday pioneer that is ready for anything, but you're going to pay extra for the accessories and time to add them, they don't come off the showroom floor ready for your use, you set it up for how you are going to use it.

 

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[Jshell3]

Ohanacreek,

You make it sound like everyone that has had problems are the ones to blame. Show me one instance of a clutch burning up or a bent connecting rod, because the engine ingested water, that was the owners fault. You should be able to spin tires pulling someone out all day long and not burn up you're clutch. Or drive through any amount of water, especially 2-3" and not have to worry about breaking your engine. These are the things that are serious negatives that should have been dealt with before it ever hit the market. You shouldn't have to snorkel and fix the vent lines on a new machine just to prevent catastrophic damage to your brand new machine, then have Honda tell you it was your fault! Hondas just aren't supposed to have these types of problems from the get go. It's very disappointing coming from a Honda product.

My stock tires NEVER spun. @nbomar @ohanacreek

But even still, burnt clutch and all, I've not had any remorse. No buyers remorse, anyways.
I've never looked at it and said, "maybe I shouldn't have...$$$". It's quite an expensive machine compared to every thing I've owned previously.

I have confidence that Honda is all over it.

I'm not concerned.

 

[Jshell3]

I can tell you this... the service counter didn't ask me a single question when I said the clutch was toast.

Just wrote my name and number down. Said we'll take care of it.

I think that's because I walked in wearing my @Hondasxs ball cap and showed him my new Takeover 2017 badge.

 

[Crow_Hunter]

Yes, I have regrets. However, my wife says that I do that on everything I buy.

I regret that I spent almost $20k on something that I am afraid is going to break when I drive it. That was the whole reason that I went with Honda over a CVT machine the first time I ever bought an offroad vehicle back in 2007 when I got my Rincon. My brother and friends had Polaris Sportsmen and I knew the problems they had had burning belts so I picked Honda. I had my Rincon for nearly 10 years and I never had a problem with it.

That was what I was expecting when I bought my Pioneer 1000. Honestly, if I weren't worried about the clutches all the time there isn't much about the machine that I don't like. I wish the gear noise was a little quieter and the mode shifter needing adjustment all the time is aggravating but I like most everything else about it. Especially compared to other units out there.

I do regret not actually trying out the Pioneer 700-4 before buying. I dismissed it because it was basically a Rincon with a different body and has all the things about that I didn't like about the Rincon. (Not geared low enough/no real engine braking, chattering driveshaft brake). However, based on my experience with my Rincon, I shouldn't have dismissed it. I probably would be nearly as happy with it and it would have been much cheaper. And if I would have had regrets about the P700, they would have been regrets with significantly fewer dollar signs behind them.

If I were you, I would at least wait a month or two and see what the 2018 model years from different companies are going to be offering. I think Can Am is going to be offering something according to my local dealer and who knows what Honda or Yamaha might have.

There are still 2016 P1000's out there for sale new? Wow. Did they make that many or is demand just that low.

 

[lee]

Yes, I have regrets. However, my wife says that I do that on everything I buy.

Well, that seams to make sense.

 

[JTW]

Well, that seams to make sense.

Lol

 

[Buford]

There are still 2016 P1000's out there for sale new? Wow. Did they make that many or is demand just that low.

They didn't sell anywhere near as good as what they were expecting, so basically Honda way overbuilt. They assumed every Polaris SxS owner or prospective buyer was going to jump ship and buy the P1000. Where I work, we still have the very first 2 that came in about a year and a half ago. In our area pretty much the only ones selling decent are the P500's, the P1000's are just too expensive.

 

[JTW]

They didn't sell anywhere near as good as what they were expecting, so basically Honda way overbuilt. They assumed every Polaris SxS owner or prospective buyer was going to jump ship and buy the P1000. Where I work, we still have the very first 2 that came in about a year and a half ago. In our area pretty much the only ones selling decent are the P500's, the P1000's are just too expensive.

That's funny because around here they can't keep them in stock!

 

[Tramguage1]

My dealer is begging for 700's. Hes asked me numerous times to trade mine in.

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[joeymt33]

My dealer is begging for 700's. Hes asked me numerous times to trade mine in.

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Do it!

 

[Tramguage1]

Do it!

Not yet!

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[Buford]

That's funny because around here they can't keep them in stock!

We could send them home with about 8

 

[JTW]

We could send them home with about 8

Contact Dan Powers Honda in Elizabeth town ky

 

[Jshell3]

Not yet!

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That 700 kicked butt all weekend. I won't argue that!!!

Leader of the pack.

 

[Dragon21]

I had thought about waiting to see what comes out next. But realistically if its a sport the price is probably gonna be close to 20k, and the 1000-5 is what im looking for as something that can work, play, and fit the entire family.

 

[DRAGFOOT]

Yes, I have regrets. However, my wife says that I do that on everything I buy.

I regret that I spent almost $20k on something that I am afraid is going to break when I drive it. That was the whole reason that I went with Honda over a CVT machine the first time I ever bought an offroad vehicle back in 2007 when I got my Rincon. My brother and friends had Polaris Sportsmen and I knew the problems they had had burning belts so I picked Honda. I had my Rincon for nearly 10 years and I never had a problem with it.

That was what I was expecting when I bought my Pioneer 1000. Honestly, if I weren't worried about the clutches all the time there isn't much about the machine that I don't like. I wish the gear noise was a little quieter and the mode shifter needing adjustment all the time is aggravating but I like most everything else about it. Especially compared to other units out there.

I do regret not actually trying out the Pioneer 700-4 before buying. I dismissed it because it was basically a Rincon with a different body and has all the things about that I didn't like about the Rincon. (Not geared low enough/no real engine braking, chattering driveshaft brake). However, based on my experience with my Rincon, I shouldn't have dismissed it. I probably would be nearly as happy with it and it would have been much cheaper. And if I would have had regrets about the P700, they would have been regrets with significantly fewer dollar signs behind them.

If I were you, I would at least wait a month or two and see what the 2018 model years from different companies are going to be offering. I think Can Am is going to be offering something according to my local dealer and who knows what Honda or Yamaha might have.

There are still 2016 P1000's out there for sale new? Wow. Did they make that many or is demand just that low.

You had regrets before you even bought it.

 

[Smitty335]

That is not what I said, read it all again. I faulted no one, I said whoever did cause it, needs to own up to it, whether that is the the Driver OR HONDA.

I don't understand there is a WHOLE AFTERMARKET for CVT clutches and its accepted that they suck. Honda has @3% of them fail (for a S.W.A.G., "I" speculate about half of that is on the owner and half is on Honda) and people lose there minds. Only a few of those have not been covered by warranty BUT there were public admissions of OBVIOUS GLARING FAULT. Then the way the local Multi-brand dealer would tell you ALL Pioneer 1000s have clutch failures before you get them to the initial service, BUT they are the biggest Polaris dealer in town.....I'll let you make your own assumptions on that one.

Lets not forget the aftermarket for Polaris: balljoints, axles, reverse chains, a-arms, bushings, control arms, that are expected to be replaced if you are going to do anything more than ride around your yard...etc.... Then add on flaming balls of POPO that cause recalls because of injuries and deaths....but thats accepted and expected...(shakes head)

2-3 Feet of water is one thing 2-3 inches hasn't caused anyone trouble. Unless that 2-3 inches was on top of 2-3 feet of water. The intake on the 1000 is ALMOST 3' off the ground if you hit a hole at 15-20 mph water is going to get PUSHED over the grill and possibly under the hood into the intake? If you go into 3' deep water that is BEYOND the expectations of the design and thats DEEP water, that IS your fault!

You don't have to snorkel the intake or the vent lines, unless you plan on riding through 2-3' of water or ACCIDENTALLY finding a mud hole the swallows the front of your vehicle. I do it JUST in case I find a hole that swallows the front of my vehicle or it gets suddenly deeper than I expected. I don't ever plan on riding through water deeper than about 18-24 inches, and I am not going to hit that water at 35mph. Ever been skiing and fallen at 35mph? Water is amazingly hard at that speed.

If you aren't spinning the tires then the clutch is slipping if you are spinning the tires then its not slipping, don't slip the clutch in a violent manner, you wouldn't do it in anything else with a clutch and NOT fear burning it up. I have seen plenty of Jeeps and Samurais burn up their clutch trying to get unstuck or past an obstacle and were experienced drivers. IT STILL HAPPENS and its still not Jeeps fault. Use your winch if you or someone else is stuck that badly, and have it wired to an isolated second(or third or fourth) battery just like most full-size off-roaders expecting to use their winch do. If you're stuck so bad it drains the battery, you have to wait till it charges back up and keep winching. Also carry proper recovery gear, a ratchet strap is NOT recovery gear.

Did you roll it and bend the ROPS? well its not supposed to be laying on the ROPS thats an acronym for Roll Over Protection System not the drive train.

I am sure you can buy a doomsday pioneer that is ready for anything, but you're going to pay extra for the accessories and time to add them, they don't come off the showroom floor ready for your use, you set it up for how you are going to use it.

Would you please tell us how you really feel, HA!

 

[Smitty335]

Would you please tell us how you really feel, HA!

I have no regrets, even with clutch failure 2nd rattle out of the box. I think they had some assembly problems with some units, not all.

 

[Jshell3]

Anyone that have the 1000-5 wish they would have gone with something else? Just put my 700-4 up for sale. Planing to get a 16 1000-5. For the turf mode, extra seat, power, taller doors up front, and top speed. I really though the 700-4 would be fine. But I've been having buyers remorse. When it tears up the yard, when it powers out, when govenor kicks in. So I decided to pick up a 1000-5 since there seem to be good deals on the 16 models. My concern is from the heat under the seat, clutch issues, and anything else I may not be aware of

I had the P500. For the same reasons as you + mine was a 2 seater... I decided to replace w/ P1k5 Deluxe. Blue (as I see you're a fan of, too).
My Dad still has the P500. I had this very same conversation w/ him this morning. (tho, he is still very satisfied w/ his P500)...

I'm glad I chose the P1k5, everytime I roll the shed door up. No buyers remorse, even tho it was expensive.

• Seat Heat, easy to fix. (and kinda fun)

• Clutch, Honda is sensitive to the issue. Dealer service counter folk know exactly how to replace them should you need a new clutch. No questions asked. And if you use a winch, like you should, the clutch probably won't ever burn up.

The HP is DOUBLE that of the P700. Top Speed is a SCARY 66mph.

I'll keep this one a while. Room to grow, so to speak.

 

[Dragon21]

Yall have me convinced. once the 700 is gone ill be getting the 1000. probably a 2016 to save some $$$.

Might even do a Green base model and get panels to match it. so i can be unique

Love that i can have my girls in the back and my son backled in right next to me. also the doors being higher is nice to have. plus all the other features