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The computer is cutting fuel just the same and there is no back driven load of the transmission and rolling vehicle mass into the crank so the load on the engine is virtually the same. The engine may feel slightly more out of balance in neutral but the internal engine load at a given RPM is very similar.
 
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Roller cam so the only thing to do it set the rings on break in. Run it like u stole it. Most drag motors with a roller are broke in on a dyno. Wouldn't set there bouncing off the limiter unloaded but under load shouldn't be no problem.
 
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The load on the crank is the same? Parked the engine is fighting rotating mass (parasitic drag). It will freewheel some when you cut fuel or spark to every other cylinder. Moving, engine is fighting friction of moving machine. Way easier to control rpms. There is plenty of load on the crank. Alot of people call it engine braking.
 
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To clarify my unloaded/loaded post, personally, I wouldn't hold it wide open in manual on the rev limiter for an extended time (like my daughter did the first few times she drove it) or fall asleep after few to many drinks with the peddle on the floor (like my buddies dad did that got to drive demo trucks home!) I wouldn't be much worried about the motor, just maybe a rich/lean condition. I have a lot of use with the ignition limiters in carbureted motors. You tend to load the motor up a lot and wash the oil off the cylinders and dirty the plugs. I know most FI motors cut fuel and would think they would alternate ignition also to keep a lean condition from happening. Running lean can be very bad pretty quickly. Normal driving hitting the limiter should be no problem. My truck doesn’t sound any different on the limiter but it is drive by wire and god knows what the throttle blades are actually doing along with everything else.
 
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I agree With delton on hitting the rev limiter in neutral is senceless no reason to do it hard on parts
 
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I agree With delton on hitting the rev limiter in neutral is senceless no reason to do it hard on parts

People do that all the time with dirt bikes especially two strokes and it bugs me. Easy to float a valve especially for the people who up the limiter. I'll agree it seems senseless


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So the question is, does the crankshaft "float" in the bearing when in an over speed condition and no load? Having a load on the engine would cause the compression to put more force on the crankshaft there for maybe keeping the bearing from floating?

The tolerances are probably way too tight in today's engines to worry about this. This was explained to me by an old timer which could probably be true on older engines.

The thought was that if the tolerances were not very tight, the floating crankshaft could bounce around a little bit and cause premature wear to bearing.

Is it is this true? I have no idea!
 
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My whole point was that engine will turn more rpms on the limiter with no load. Will it hurt motor? Alot depends on how close to "hurt" the factory set the limiter. On a utility sxs like the pioneer, it's probably a safe limit since it makes most of its power down low and midrange. No real sense in setting a high limiter since power is gonna fall off anyways. On a sport bike or drag bike, limiter is gonna be closer to the edge. Moto GP bikes rev to 16k or so. You wind them any tighter and no spring on the planet is gonna take it. Back to original question.....I seriously doubt any damage was done.
 
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Fyi...if it doesn't rain, we will be able to push our rigs through deadend hole. Cause it's just a dry hole in the ground. I seen it couple weeks ago and it was pitiful. And deep. Very deep lol
 
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African twin is limited to a little over 8,000. The only main differences I saw was the cam and injectors. Not sure where the pioneers is set at, never looked.
 
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African twin is limited to a little over 8,000. The only main differences I saw was the cam and injectors. Not sure where the pioneers is set at, never looked.
I'd like to see an overlay of the 2 dyno charts. Just for comparison. It'd probably be similar to my cbr650f compared to a 600rr. The rr makes a crap load more HP but my f actually feels stronger on the road cause of the midrange.
 
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African twin is limited to a little over 8,000. The only main differences I saw was the cam and injectors. Not sure where the pioneers is set at, never looked.

Do you know if the Pioneer share the same head and valves as the African twin?
 
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Do you know if the Pioneer share the same head and valves as the African twin?
I looked at it 2 months ago. I remember the cam and injectors being different. Seems like the intake valve and throttle body was the same. A lot of parts had the same starting numbers but a different suffix. Bore, stroke and compression was the same. Kind of crazy for there to be a 20hp difference. Should be a lot more left in the pioneer motor. I am guessing it has a mild cam and very conservative tune not knowing how the tranny and other part were going to hold up.
 

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