P1000 Pioneer 1000 regret

[JTW]

I'd definitely avoid ethanol. There is no squeezing happening. It's just pulling fuel into the motor through the valves. higher octane fuel will ignite a lot easier. You have spark plugs to ignite it we arent talking diesel here. I think your shop guy is a polaris fan boy.

You need 3 things.
Good fuel
Good spark
Strong fast cranking

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And sexy shaved legs! I dunno... but it seems to work for @Cuoutdoors !

 

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[ButchersHook]

I had a similar issue with mine fri morn. -8 fired right up, rode to work sat outside. Rode home for lunch at -6 no problem. After work wouldn't fire up, fuel pump didn't sound like it was cycling. Fuel gauge was at 2 bars. I'm thinkin ice in lines. Towed it home added 5 gallons of fresh 91 octane fuel and it fires right up. With just 2 bars of fuel in there any moisture messed with it.

We'll see what wed brings with -53 wind chill!! I'm in wi also.

 

[alloutdoors]

With just 2 bars of fuel in there any moisture messed with it. We'll see what wed brings with -53 wind chill!! I'm in wi also.

Great point, you likely want to keep the fuel topped off when so bitter outside right now, because any "moisture" can become a problem at these temperatures...

 

[Mopower58]

FWIW 87 octane fuel burns slower than 91 octane. Ethanol added fuel burns even faster because of the ethanol. Colder temperatures make the oil thicker and it is harder on the battery and starter to spin it over.The first designation in oil is the cold viscosity,the lower it is the "thinner" the oil is when cold. If you are sure your temps will be cold until the next oil change you might try a smaller prefix on your oil,i.e. Ow-30.

 

[Montecresto]

I just tried giving it a better shot of fluid in the air intake in hood and it coughed and ran for five seconds and died again. Can’t be good to keep spraying that in there

No, it’s not, and says so on the can. I usually give up after a couple tries.

 

[tjoreo]

Don't know if this relates at all because mine is a 700 but I had a lot of trouble starting it when it was below zero. It would just crank and crank without firing. After doing a lot of investigating on the Rincon forums, I found if the voltage drops too much while starting the injectors actually stop delivering fuel. Before I found this I tried thinner oil with little help. I finally found that Canadian models come with bigger batteries to help alleviate this problem. I finally up sized batteries and it curried my starting issues. Hope you get something figured out.

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[ToddACimer]

Don't know if this relates at all because mine is a 700 but I had a lot of trouble starting it when it was below zero. It would just crank and crank without firing. After doing a lot of investigating on the Rincon forums, I found if the voltage drops too much while starting the injectors actually stop delivering fuel. Before I found this I tried thinner oil with little help. I finally found that Canadian models come with bigger batteries to help alleviate this problem. I finally up sized batteries and it curried my starting issues. Hope you get something figured out.

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What battery is in the Canadian model?

 

[Chris-Rog]

Thanks everybody. Hopefully it starts in the morning for the snow coming, if not it’s off to the dealer. Honestly, I’m pretty good about fuel, at least I try to be. It had ethanol free in it when it wouldn’t start with added sea foam. I only added 87 at dealers request after I couldn’t start it. Tank is full now, I rode it earlier for two hours hoping to get the Heet and fresh gas through everything. It’s minus 10 right now. I’ll let you guys know in the morning. I don’t think service guy is a Polaris fanboy, I think he is honestly going by what he sees. I think he likes the Honda better, said it in a round about way.

 

[tjoreo]

What battery is in the Canadian model?

The Canadian models come with 16 ah batteries vs the 12 ah on the 700. I actually went even 1 size bigger (Ytx20). This might be apples and oranges but it might have something to do with it starting with starting fluid.

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[Eltobgi]

He's actually right on this one point, with regard to cold weather starting. The rest of it is BS, as you can see by many of us saying we start Hondas at any temperature without doing anything special.

Only have ran 89 in mine since new never a problem in any temp

 

[Deleted member 3748]

Only have ran 89 in mine since new never a problem in any temp

I agree. I really don't do anything different between summer and winter except let it warm up longer in the winter.

 

[Eltobgi]

I agree. I really don't do anything different between summer and winter except let it warm up longer in the winter.

Always to 2 bars since my first clutch pack failure regardless of the temp.

 

[Gunslingertom]

Someone explain to me how 10:1 compression is low. Your service tech is full of it. When I got mine serviced, I was telling them that it seems hard starting for a fuel injected engine and my service tech said they have had to replace a lot of batteries in both the 700's and 1000's because they are weak. Maybe a quality control issue? I don't know.
If you start yours a lot and only run it for a few minutes at a time, there is probably a lot of crap from the fuel on/in your plugs. This is a common problem at bike shops where they just start the machine long enough to take it outside and then back inside when they close. Take your plugs out and hit the end (ground electrode, center electrode and inside the insulator tip cavity) with a lighter or propane torch to burn the junk out. If they are lightly fouled, this will work every time.

 

[jwfirebird]

Thanks for replies. Yes I was always running ethanol free until yesterday when dealer told me to put in 87 with ethanol. I always use sea foam too. Yesterday upon his recommendation, I put 87 and some heet in it. Also battery is always on a tender. His theory is lower compression motor can’t squeeze the fuel through like the higher compression Ranger motor can. Said he sees this a lot on the Honda’s. He believes 87 detonates easier than 91

dealer has no clue obviously. the car stuff with ethonal is all I use because it has the proper winter mix to fire good. extra crap like sea foam is one time use and makes it run like crap, unneccary too. all my vehicels start fine in neg temps with just the NY pump crap. also not because of compression hard starting in the cold is the lean emissions tune they all have.
have run the pioneer a few times in the neg and it started fine, if you don't have all the other crap and the seafoam may have fouled you plugs. that crap creates a lot of smoke and makes it run horrible only supposed to use for cleaning old stuff

 

[Chris-Rog]

Yeah I don’t know. I really have no problem starting anything else I own whether it’s three vehicles, chainsaws even my 60 year gas tractor starts and runs perfect, hence my frustration with a brand new utv.

 

[jwfirebird]

Honda will too but you stop wasting your time believing the tech, might have to drain the tank and just put the normal car stuff in it

there is no reason to ever need starting spray I have worked on every motor there is from old diesels, tractors, I have never purchased one can. if it doesn't start stop and find the real problem, you can add a tiny bit of gas to see if you have a spark or gas problem and that is a lot safer. would also at least look at the plug and clean it with some wire brush or sand paper and air

 

[snuffnwhisky]

My suggestions: Non ethanol 87 gas, I would drain the tank and put fresh in. Relocate the gas tank vent, it is known to cause water in the tank. Replace the spark plugs, mostly insurance but if you foul one good they tend to not run 100% no matter what you do to clean them. You do not have to remove the air box to change plugs (not hard to) but do need a couple 3" extensions and a magnet to get them out, pretty sure the plug is a 14mm. 0W-30 oil. You have to have a pretty hot battery for these things to crank. I would leave it on a battery tender or even better get a battery heater or tender and block heater for those - temps.

 

[Mopower58]

If you suspect the battery you could use a car/truck while running and hook a set of good jumper cables to it and try to start it. Back in the early 2000's if a 7.3 ford's battery voltage dropped too low the computer would not allow it to start.

 

[Cuoutdoors]

Yeah I don’t know. I really have no problem starting anything else I own whether it’s three vehicles, chainsaws even my 60 year gas tractor starts and runs perfect, hence my frustration with a brand new utv.

So did it start today?

They do have a battery that is boarderline big enough. Upgrading the battery or adding a second one would help as well.

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[elkguide]

Just started mine now that it has gotten up to +4*. Cranked a little slow but started right up.