Talon Launch Control

[GPR1500SC]

Any updates

I half heartily tried my Talon R with no results, interestingly enough from a stand still a doing a full throttle lunch in my Pioneer the RPM's go to 4,000 before the clutch engages.

my X4 ecm I sent to Zmorris88 because he wanted to read it out, and I didn't have a wiring diagram anyway now he got both my Pioneer and my X4 ecm after four texts in two weeks he blows me off with one text saying he busy and don't have cell service I hope I am wrong but I think Snuff pegged him right that he is a blow hard at this point I will give him another two weeks then I will become a pest and call him every day until he sends my X4 ecm back programed or not or he blocks my number

 

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[snuffnwhisky]

I half heartily tried my Talon R with no results, interestingly enough from a stand still a doing a full throttle lunch in my Pioneer the RPM's go to 4,000 before the clutch engages.

my X4 ecm I sent to Zmorris88 because he wanted to read it out, and I didn't have a wiring diagram anyway now he got both my Pioneer and my X4 ecm after four texts in two weeks he blows me off with one text saying he busy and don't have cell service I hope I am wrong but I think Snuff pegged him right that he is a blow hard at this point I will give him another two weeks then I will become a pest and call him every day until he sends my X4 ecm back programed or not or he blocks my number

Why didnt he buy his own?...

 

[GPR1500SC]

Why didnt he buy his own?...

He thought he could read it copy it into any ECM and then he would not have no use for it, and he found a sucker to send him one for free for a good story, I think see a Vision in my future.

 

[HondaTech]

I half heartily tried my Talon R with no results, interestingly enough from a stand still a doing a full throttle lunch in my Pioneer the RPM's go to 4,000 before the clutch engages.

my X4 ecm I sent to Zmorris88 because he wanted to read it out, and I didn't have a wiring diagram anyway now he got both my Pioneer and my X4 ecm after four texts in two weeks he blows me off with one text saying he busy and don't have cell service I hope I am wrong but I think Snuff pegged him right that he is a blow hard at this point I will give him another two weeks then I will become a pest and call him every day until he sends my X4 ecm back programed or not or he blocks my number

What's weird is the wiring diagram shows the same pin out for both 2 and 4 seater models. But the 2 seater PCM is a different part number vs a 4 seater. Both the base X4 and the Live Valve share the same PCM.

So I propose swapping PCMs between a Live Valve and a 2 seat then the same between a base X4 and a 2 seat. To see if launch control is in the base X4 as it should since the PCM is the same between the 2.

 

[JimmyTalon]

I'm not sure why the fascination with launch control. Do you guys think a good launch is going to win races against other machines which typically have 10 to 80 horsepower more than your Honda? Besides drag racing, what good is launch? Do you think when you're out in the boonies, miles from the trailer, your first thought is going to be "use launch control to blast up these hills, thru this sand, etc"? If you're thinking at all, you might want to treat your drivetrain with smooth deliberate motion to allow it to get you home.
Or whatever you're thinking ...carry on.

 

[HondaTech]

I'm not sure why the fascination with launch control. Do you guys think a good launch is going to win races against other machines which typically have 10 to 80 horsepower more than your Honda? Besides drag racing, what good is launch? Do you think when you're out in the boonies, miles from the trailer, your first thought is going to be "use launch control to blast up these hills, thru this sand, etc"? If you're thinking at all, you might want to treat your drivetrain with smooth deliberate motion to allow it to get you home.
Or whatever you're thinking ...carry on.

My boss races GNCC/Enduro type races where the start can be a race winner.

The fascination is just trying to figure out a way around the fact that they aren't offering it on anything but the Live Valve.

 

[Wigglysqiggly]

Im thinking it might be in the switch I purchased one online and waiting to wire it up. I say this because i did turn signal diy way for cost but used a normal switch but I switch it to a turn signal switch and worked properly

 

[Wigglysqiggly]

I'm not sure why the fascination with launch control. Do you guys think a good launch is going to win races against other machines which typically have 10 to 80 horsepower more than your Honda? Besides drag racing, what good is launch? Do you think when you're out in the boonies, miles from the trailer, your first thought is going to be "use launch control to blast up these hills, thru this sand, etc"? If you're thinking at all, you might want to treat your drivetrain with smooth deliberate motion to allow it to get you home.
Or whatever you're thinking ...carry on.

Just because you have more horse power doesn’t mean your the fastest, plus the honda uses a real transmission which has less horse power loss than a cvt.

some people also race there side by side while others do trail riding so this function can be use full

 

[HondaTech]

Im thinking it might be in the switch I purchased one online and waiting to wire it up. I say this because i did turn signal diy way for cost but used a normal switch but I switch it to a turn signal switch and worked properly

I've tried this already, didn't work.

The Live Valve and blade X4 have the same PCM, but the 2 seaters have a different part number.

We're thinking the PCM for the 2 seater doesn't have the programming or the light missing is causing it to not work.

 

[GPR1500SC]

I'm not sure why the fascination with launch control. Do you guys think a good launch is going to win races against other machines which typically have 10 to 80 horsepower more than your Honda? Besides drag racing, what good is launch? Do you think when you're out in the boonies, miles from the trailer, your first thought is going to be "use launch control to blast up these hills, thru this sand, etc"? If you're thinking at all, you might want to treat your drivetrain with smooth deliberate motion to allow it to get you home.
Or whatever you're thinking ...carry on.

I am interested launch control for getting out of the bottom of a small creek with wet tires (I have been there) or similar situations where it is slick and you need wheel speed and don't have the space to get you rpm's up into the real power before your climbing the bank.
I have no intentions of doing 8,000 rpm dry asphalt launches, a little mechanical understand of your machines capabilities and a healthy dose of common sense and it will work fine.

 

[JimmyTalon]

I am interested launch control for getting out of the bottom of a small creek with wet tires (I have been there) or similar situations where it is slick and you need wheel speed and don't have the space to get you rpm's up into the real power before your climbing the bank.
I have no intentions of doing 8,000 rpm dry asphalt launches, a little mechanical understand of your machines capabilities and a healthy dose of common sense and it will work fine.

Please share video of this maneuver if you get launch control working. Just don't show the video to your dealer.

 

[Sheetmetalfab]

I am interested launch control for getting out of the bottom of a small creek with wet tires (I have been there) or similar situations where it is slick and you need wheel speed and don't have the space to get you rpm's up into the real power before your climbing the bank.
I have no intentions of doing 8,000 rpm dry asphalt launches, a little mechanical understand of your machines capabilities and a healthy dose of common sense and it will work fine.

breaking in my talon x4 the other night.

front tires 2’ from the bank and climbing a steep hill.

I don’t see how launch mode would do anything but make you have less traction in that situation.


The talon spins the tires with authority from a dead stop.

I think launch mode is for racing or messing around only.

no actual reasonable, practical daily use.

 

[Outacntrl]

I could definitely see it being useful to "bump" you up and over something in the trail. Is it for everybody? No, but for the guys who don't mind beating on their machine I could see it being useful, provided the drivetrain survives. I know I am excited for someone to get it to work in a Pioneer.

 

[jamesh]

I think launch control (or rather control) is gimmicky. Mostly useful for drag racing in sand dunes probably. But what's the point of drag racing a non-turbo car?

 

[GPR1500SC]

My local dealer is who got me X4 ECM and wiring diagram. LOL

 

[Sheetmetalfab]

My local dealer is who got me X4 ECM and wiring diagram. LOL

does it work?

 

[GPR1500SC]

does it work?

Post 41 of this thread explains the current status

 

[HondaTech]

Update: Installed the Launch Control switch in the base X4 and nothing happened. I noticed on the Live Valve, that when engaging Launch Control the machine puts itself into Sport mode as indicated on the display. The base X4 did not do this when trying the Launch switch.

Doing some more digging, the meter/dash sub harness for a base X4 is the same as a 2 seater while the Live Valve is different. Obviously for the lights in front of the wheel for the suspension control and Launch.

That harness is connected to the main with a 23 pin connector, the 2 seater shows to only populate 17 of those pin, while the Live Valve shows 21 pins populated. I've yet to get a chance to see if a base X4 has the 21 wires going into the connector from the harness side or if its the 17 pins from the 2 seater.

I'm thinking the Launch light may be the reason for it not operating, since there is a CAN Hi and CAN Lo line going into that indicator box, but they could also be just for the suspension indicators.

I'm also interested in seeing if the PCM has the same software number between the X4 and Live Valve.

 

[snuffnwhisky]

Dusty Schaller (Dynojet)

We are ready to go on the launch control / DCT tuning upgrade. This upgrade is $100. Please submit your PV_Info file and/or your tune file and we can get it updated.

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You do have to have the Powervision 3 to flash the ECU though. If its anything like my YXZ, the launch rpm can be set even with WOT. I'm not adding it to mine, just FYI info.

 

[Wigglysqiggly]

What tuning is it for dct