P500 inspection of frame...after accident.....

[rocmar]

Turn lock to lock and check to make sure same amount of steering arm on each side of the rack.
But if tire sits funny top to bottom it's in the arm or mount. Do you have any pictures?

Just it sittin in truck..
will post a few..In morning...
steering wheel turns fine..

 

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[DG Rider]

Tried running the tie rod...out
to see..it's like the tie rod
shrunk.... plus top off tire pushed...out
...bottom of tire...kicked in..
Is the skipped teeth..an easy fix
...or replace. .with used...

Thing is...if the rack skipped teeth, it is connected to both sides, so you get the steering wheel off, but it wouldn't change toe unless something bent. And it sounds like something else is bent with the camber of the wheel you describe.

And thats what i meant earlier. Tolerances stack up differently when taken apart and change the alignment for sure, but when you've replaced everything and still have to move the toe inches (assuming you made some effort to get a tie rod end back in the same neighborhood as the old one), then something else is wrong. I would think about ordering the a-arms for that side which i believe come with ball-joints...but thats still throwing parts, which i don't like to do. Some nice pics would be helpful.

 

[rocmar]

Turn lock to lock and check to make sure same amount of steering arm on each side of the rack.
But if tire sits funny top to bottom it's in the arm or mount. Do you have any pictures?

I had boots off..of tie rods...
nothing broke..no resistance. ..
watched..as wheel turned..
...back & ..forth...

 

[rocmar]

Thing is...if the rack skipped teeth, it is connected to both sides, so you get the steering wheel off, but it wouldn't change toe unless something bent. And it sounds like something else is bent with the camber of the wheel you describe.

And thats what i meant earlier. Tolerances stack up differently when taken apart and change the alignment for sure, but when you've replaced everything and still have to move the toe inches, then something else is wrong. I would think about ordering the a-arms for that side which i believe come with ball-joints...but thats still throwing parts, which i don't like to do. Some nice pics would be helpful.

I'm gonna take some...a arms look fine..

 

[DG Rider]

I'm gonna take some...a arms look fine..

Sounds good!

 

[rocmar]

Thought...a new axle..
alignment. ..I'd be ridin...
NOT...
..wanna say thanks to those
...chiming in to help..

 

[rocmar]

Sounds good!

Thanks....

 

[Mudwing]

Like @DG Rider says, I don't like throwing parts at it either. If I'm trying to find a bend or something out of alignment, I would be measuring from one side to another to find the differences. I wish I could be more help but I like to see the problem in person.

 

[rocmar]

No sign of a arms...damage
I can put tire back on..
if need to...

 

[rocmar]

A arm..& shock..have been disconnected
.. to replace axle...there was no binding
..just the cracked weld..it wasn't a struggle
to put back together. ..which to me
says..not.. bent.... damaged...
if certain pics..needed...let me know
....
found used a arms....for same $..
As replacing. ..both,...ball joints
...on both sides..
wat would any of you guys. ...do
Replace A arms.......
replace....ball joints...
replace... steering rack.....
.....that's my plan..
in that order...
subject to change.....
with...any suggestions. ..
thrown..my way
thanks guys

 

[rocmar]

When you say jacked to the left, how badly? Is it obviously out, or does it just "look" out...because eyeballing it can be tough unless its obviously really out.

Easiest way to check the inner tie rod end for bendage is to loosen the outer tie rod lock nut and rotate it a turn back and forth. Any runout (wobble) will give you the answer.

I hate stuff like this...where obviously, something is wrong, yet nothing can be found. I had the same problem on a Rubicon (long story) and the dealer just reset the toe. That just band-aiding something else thats bent. Any paint flaking anywhere? Thats usually a sign of bending.

Only flaked paint...is where weld cracked...

 

[rocmar]

Like @DG Rider says, I don't like throwing parts at it either. If I'm trying to find a bend or something out of alignment, I would be measuring from one side to another to find the differences. I wish I could be more help but I like to see the problem in person.

For wheel to be kicked out...when steering wheel straight...
is..gotta be..a arms....or steering rack..
but..neither. ..seem damaged...
steering wheel..turns 1...1/2 turns..
each way..
like I said ..I will throw parts at
it...upgrading. .from 10mm...
to 12mm..at least if it....don't fix problem
....it's heavy duty......crazy. ..weird..
Banging my head....
hopefully. ..more minds...on this
.... will..find & solve....thanks again

 

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[rocmar]

Messed around...with..tie rods...
boots off...found middle...with um
disconnected. ..straighten. .both hubs...
then..hooked tie rods..back up...
I believe. .yesterday..I said it was..
like
my left side tie rod..had shrunk...
...I think...chime in..if ya think im..
going wrong way.....bottom a arm..
is pushed down...if it was up where
..it should be...I would have the threads on.. tie
rod...needed..
so..gonna replace..bottom A arm...
& go from there....
I'm all ears..,guys..this is out of
...my league. ..

 

[chrisC]

Messed around...with..tie rods...
boots off...found middle...with um
disconnected. ..straighten. .both hubs...
then..hooked tie rods..back up...
I believe. .yesterday..I said it was..
like
my left side tie rod..had shrunk...
...I think...chime in..if ya think im..
going wrong way.....bottom a arm..
is pushed down...if it was up where
..it should be...I would have the threads on.. tie
rod...needed..
so..gonna replace..bottom A arm...
& go from there....
I'm all ears..,guys..this is out of
...my league. ..

Id try measuring each side to a known point. Like center of balljoint or mounting point to a point back on frame same on each side(a hole or something. )
Maybe point wheel hubs straight one side at a time, measure center of front hub to center of rear hub?
Poke around like that....it should show up something that measures out from side to side ....that maybe doesn't look out.
Hard to just look at it to see bent parts sometimes.
In my past life rebuilding car salvage , misalignment could be found with measurements ....in absence of a frame rack.

 

[rocmar]

Id try measuring each side to a known point. Like center of balljoint or mounting point to a point back on frame same on each side(a hole or something. )
Maybe point wheel hubs straight one side at a time, measure center of front hub to center of rear hub?
Poke around like that....it should show up something that measures out from side to side ....that maybe doesn't look out.
Hard to just look at it to see bent parts sometimes.
In my past life rebuilding car salvage , misalignment could be found with measurements ....in absence of a frame rack.

Id try measuring each side to a known point. Like center of balljoint or mounting point to a point back on frame same on each side(a hole or something. )
Maybe point wheel hubs straight one side at a time, measure center of front hub to center of rear hub?
Poke around like that....it should show up something that measures out from side to side ....that maybe doesn't look out.
Hard to just look at it to see bent parts sometimes.
In my past life rebuilding car salvage , misalignment could be found with measurements ....in absence of a frame rack.

Thanks for your ..Input
..gonna replace. .bottom a arm
....see where it takes me..
...thanks again
.

 

[rocmar]

Did some measurements....on front end...
all matches up..from one side...to
other...after second thoughts..talking
..showing a few people. .my problem. ..is
steering..Makin both tires go straight.
.
...steering rack... $190...used...
got it in cart....
Thoughts...anyone..

 

[DG Rider]

No sign of a arms...damage
I can put tire back on..
if need to...View attachment 56616 View attachment 56617 View attachment 56618 View attachment 56619

That second pic where the tie rods are behind the shock...maybe its the angle, but it almost looks like the inner is coming out at an angle compare to the outer. Does it look straight in person?

Also, is it possible that side of the rack has shifted up where it mounts to the frame?