Animation of how motorcycle transmissions work (including the P1k and Talon)

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While this is a motorcycle transmission, the P1K and Talon are very similar. This doesn't show how the dual clutch fits in to all this (which is still voodoo to me). The important take away, for those who aren't familiar with constant mesh transmissions, is how the shift dogs engage the adjacent gears. These shift dogs are what you hear grinding when you shift too fast and impatiently and more so when the oil is cold. It also shows that if the dogs aren't aligned with their adjacent slots, it's impossible to change gears (and why I try to be rolling SLOWLY when I shift into Low if possible).

Chipping the corners off the shift dogs will result in permanent and progressive damage, eventually popping out of gear and requiring $$$$ disassembly. Note that we're shifting the dogs, the gear teeth themselves are always at least partially engaged - this is why we don't have syncros in our type of transmission.

 
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thats a single clutch system. on the input shaft the clutch would be between the trans and motor. on a dct on the pioneer its more like a dual input shaft with every other gear on 1 shaft and every other on another shaft. each shaft has its own clutch. in simple terms. i had a picture of the setup a while back but i cant find it again.

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thats a single clutch system. on the input shaft the clutch would be between the trans and motor. on a dct on the pioneer its more like a dual input shaft with every other gear on 1 shaft and every other on another shaft. each shaft has its own clutch. in simple terms. i had a picture of the setup a while back but i cant find it again.

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I'd love to see that if you happen to trip across it anytime soon.
 
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I'd love to see that if you happen to trip across it anytime soon.
i seen this one before but it isnt the honda trans A3b4f1833e4c15fad4bf966a22b1221f

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