P1000 What's this Plug? 2016 P1K5

[Plongson]

Any Idea??

 

[Admin]

 

[CumminsPusher]

Computer diagnostic

 

[Delton]

I wish they were obd compatible

 

[CumminsPusher]

I wish they were obd compatible

Agreed! There is a massive amount of electronics on board, wish recreational vehicles had to follow same standards at least in some categories

 

[Plongson]

Thanks guys...lotsa' plugs on this beast...

 

[HondaTech]

I wish Honda had put this in a better spot, like under the hood. OBD2 would be amazing and so much simpler but then again Im not sure why thr industry has gone that way. Guess it keeps you guya coming back to me, lol. ;-)

 

[popeye]

I wish Honda had put this in a better spot, like under the hood. OBD2 would be amazing and so much simpler but then again Im not sure why thr industry has gone that way. Guess it keeps you guya coming back to me, lol. ;-)

What is the software that Honda uses? Is there anything out there that us as customers can use?

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[Plongson]

I'm not surprised Honda has a proprietary plug for their scanner, I have a John Deere 210LE that has a special plug to it's computer as well, to flash or read codes...so does the Harley now I think of it.

 

[HondaTech]

Honda uses a proprietary MCS, Motorcycle Communication System. Its made by Bosch i believe. We use to use the HDS, Honda Diagnostic System which was a Compaq PDA with a interface loaded on it. It was crap and too small too read, slow and boot looped all the time. Our new system uses a box with the red plug and a usb to a laptop or PC. Them you download thr program from Honda and it works through it. With periodic updates.

Both MAC and Snap-on supposedly have a system that works with a whole bunch of powersports brands. But ive never seen or used one.

I know on our dirtbikes ( CRF-R) models Honda sells a C.F-ROM with a program and a box that you hook a battery to and turn the pump on because they have no battery. But there was a guy online who hacked a OBD to usb adapter to work on the dirt bike without needing the box Honda has. All you need is the appropriate CD for your bike. That could possibly work on everyhting else but it doesn't have the correct interface for the Pioneer. The bikes are mainly just for tuining. But ive never used one of them either so maybe there is a way to hack it.

 

[Plongson]

Remember when ya use to change the jets and needle slide/position. Is there no more tuning for the track by the pit crew chief?

 

[CumminsPusher]

Remember when ya use to change the jets and needle slide/position. Is there no more tuning for the track by the pit crew chief?

People have gotten lazy and would rather a button over a shifter. Electronics over manual. The more stuff that's added by factory to gain one up on the other for sales is one less item that can be worked on if needed by the individual.

 

[lee]

People have gotten lazy and would rather a button over a shifter. Electronics over manual.

Or, an alternate explination is that people have gotten lazy and keep voting for morons that are going to fix the world with a half baked solution.
So we end up with ATVs and SxS's that have ever increasing emissions controls.
That is why the carburetor is a thing of the past - they can not meet evaporative requierments nor the tamper proof regulations.
We all know a relative hand full of off road vehicles used on weekends is the cause of global warming.

 

[CumminsPusher]

Or, an alternate explination is that people have gotten lazy and keep voting for morons that are going to fix the world with a half baked solution.
So we end up with ATVs and SxS's that have ever increasing emissions controls.
That is why the carburetor is a thing of the past - they can not meet evaporative requierments nor the tamper proof regulations.
We all know a relative hand full of off road vehicles used on weekends is the cause of global warming.

I'd agree with that on the motor side for sure but the electronics in the 4wd,auto trans,braking,steering,active suspension, and such are all bi products of the other.
Machines will keep getting harder and much more expensive to work on with less life expectancy as companies come out with the newest best thing to out sell the competition. If you look at an old simple Honda it's still running lol

 

[Russ]

Remember when ya use to change the jets and needle slide/position. Is there no more tuning for the track by the pit crew chief?

Yup could put new rings in on the trail and not worry about getting a hole in your radiator from a rock or stick

 

[russknight]

Or, an alternate explination is that people have gotten lazy and keep voting for morons that are going to fix the world with a half baked solution.
So we end up with ATVs and SxS's that have ever increasing emissions controls.
That is why the carburetor is a thing of the past - they can not meet evaporative requierments nor the tamper proof regulations.
We all know a relative hand full of off road vehicles used on weekends is the cause of global warming.

That's why two strokes are a thing of the past. Pure idiocy. There are probably several reasons manufacturers don't want us tampering with things. One, it cuts them out of revenue. John Deere has done that with their equipment. They have proprietary software and diagnostics so the equipment owner is forced to use them for any and all service issues. I think they are being sued about it as we speak, the issue being does the individual actually ever "own" the equipment they purchase if they can't service it themselves. The other is emissions. These companies don't want the liability of being fined by Uncle Sam for allowing the emissions to get out of whack by Johnny the Mechanic altering the software to increase performance. Remember the trouble Cummins, Cat, and others got into for remotely via satellite adjusting their engine parameters to help truckers out? Sad state of affairs.

John Deere Just Swindled Farmers out of Their Right to Repair

 

[Cuoutdoors]

That's why two strokes are a thing of the past. Pure idiocy. There are probably several reasons manufacturers don't want us tampering with things. One, it cuts them out of revenue. John Deere has done that with their equipment. They have proprietary software and diagnostics so the equipment owner is forced to use them for any and all service issues. I think they are being sued about it as we speak, the issue being does the individual actually ever "own" the equipment they purchase if they can't service it themselves. The other is emissions. These companies don't want the liability of being fined by Uncle Sam for allowing the emissions to get out of whack by Johnny the Mechanic altering the software to increase performance. Remember the trouble Cummins, Cat, and others got into for remotely via satellite adjusting their engine parameters to help truckers out? Sad state of affairs.

John Deere Just Swindled Farmers out of Their Right to Repair

A few years back Can Am was sued because their ATV's required a trip to the dealer to reset the oil change notification.

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[DDDonkey]

What is the software that Honda uses? Is there anything out there that us as customers can use?

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I guess the new question is what software are the tuners using to tune these (p1000 and talon) and what would it cost to get it.

 

[andersjtaylor]

Honda uses a proprietary MCS, Motorcycle Communication System. Its made by Bosch i believe. We use to use the HDS, Honda Diagnostic System which was a Compaq PDA with a interface loaded on it. It was crap and too small too read, slow and boot looped all the time. Our new system uses a box with the red plug and a usb to a laptop or PC. Them you download thr program from Honda and it works through it. With periodic updates.

Both MAC and Snap-on supposedly have a system that works with a whole bunch of powersports brands. But ive never seen or used one.

I know on our dirtbikes ( CRF-R) models Honda sells a C.F-ROM with a program and a box that you hook a battery to and turn the pump on because they have no battery. But there was a guy online who hacked a OBD to usb adapter to work on the dirt bike without needing the box Honda has. All you need is the appropriate CD for your bike. That could possibly work on everyhting else but it doesn't have the correct interface for the Pioneer. The bikes are mainly just for tuining. But ive never used one of them either so maybe there is a way to hack it.

hey i have a shop in south carolina and we work on ATV/UTVs do you know where i could get some diagnostic software for honda ATVs/UTVs?

 

[Remington]

hey i have a shop in south carolina and we work on ATV/UTVs do you know where i could get some diagnostic software for honda ATVs/UTVs?

If you want To get your question answered in a timely manor, you need to start a new thread. This thread is from 17’ and the last post was from 19’

Your new here also and first post. I suggest to Do an intro thread and post pics if your pioneer
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