P1000 Water in Gas

[ryjack70ss]

Hey all, I have read many threads on extending the gas tank vent lines on the p1000-5 but have not done it. I do not ride in deep water. Took the honda out and it started stalling on flat farm fields. Nursed it back to the trailer to get it home.

Symptoms:
1. die intermittently
2. stall with throttle
3. Stall with putting into gear from park
4. Rough idle

Diagnostics and treatments:
1. Battery good
2. Emptied gas tank and noticed just a tiny bit of water separation in the bottom of a clear bottle. Maybe 2% of the volume
3. Refilled with good gas - ran for a bit but then symptoms returned within minutes
4. Pulled the plugs, fouled and burnt looking, so I replaced plugs (most expensive plugs I have ever seen by the way) - runs like a champ since

I looked at the vent line for the gas and it ends in the cross brace behind the seat. I see where people are extending these, but why? How the hell is water getting in there with washing the side by side? It is in an enclosed square metal tube through a hole not much bigger than the tube, I have a hard time seeing how a pressure washer or even a hose gets water in there. Can someone enlighten me on why this happened?

Thanks!!!

Ryan

 

[Admin]

 

[bumperm]

St. Louis has some fairly high humidity now and then. That can cause condensation inside the tank as temperatures drop . . . this would be exacerbated if the tank is not full or mostly so. The water will "collect" in the tank over time. No need to go snorkeling, just a guess.

 

[john790]

I dont know why but washing this bike can put water in the gas tank and the sub trans mostly the gas do those lines for sure.Had the same problem after just washing.No problem since.Does act pretty stupid.

 

[Sowie]

Could be the ethanol in the gas which absorbs moisture out of the air. If you let your sxs sit keep a full tank of fuel to limit the air in the tank and use some fuel stabilizer.


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[Plowboy1466]

Vent hose extensions were the first thing l put on my 1000-3 4 years ago. Knock on wood, I haven't had any problems in almost 5,000 miles.

 

[Remington]

Hey all, I have read many threads on extending the gas tank vent lines on the p1000-5 but have not done it. I do not ride in deep water. Took the honda out and it started stalling on flat farm fields. Nursed it back to the trailer to get it home.

Symptoms:
1. die intermittently
2. stall with throttle
3. Stall with putting into gear from park
4. Rough idle

Diagnostics and treatments:
1. Battery good
2. Emptied gas tank and noticed just a tiny bit of water separation in the bottom of a clear bottle. Maybe 2% of the volume
3. Refilled with good gas - ran for a bit but then symptoms returned within minutes
4. Pulled the plugs, fouled and burnt looking, so I replaced plugs (most expensive plugs I have ever seen by the way) - runs like a champ since

I looked at the vent line for the gas and it ends in the cross brace behind the seat. I see where people are extending these, but why? How the hell is water getting in there with washing the side by side? It is in an enclosed square metal tube through a hole not much bigger than the tube, I have a hard time seeing how a pressure washer or even a hose gets water in there. Can someone enlighten me on why this happened?

Thanks!!!

Ryan

What yr is your machine? You say “not in deep water” does that mean u go in some water or none? Thats another reason for the year, more info and pics Etc.

Yes you should snorkel it, everything u can! Washing and slight splashes can and will get in that area. earlier models have a differnt intake that can engest light water as well and cause problems. the little info we have, we cant 100% answer ur question.

 

[ryjack70ss]

Thanks for everyone’s reply. To answer some questions, we don’t ride through water other than occasional puddles on the road. So negligible.

It’s a 2018 pioneer 1000-5

i attached photos. You can see only very minimal water as that’s a 2 liter bottle but it’s the only thing I can blame that mucked up the plugs.

 

[ryjack70ss]

What vent kit did everyone use? I’ll order one and put it in. Just seems weird to get water after washing it when the vent ends in a solid metal crossmember. 🤯

 

[JenElio]

What vent kit did everyone use? I’ll order one and put it in. Just seems weird to get water after washing it when the vent ends in a solid metal crossmember. 🤯

I don't think it's a solid "sealed" cross-member, but I could be wrong. You can do a DIY vent extension or a lot of people buy from @Bayouownbeer . he's got a pretty good kit available 👍

 

[WagginTail]

I don't think it's a solid "sealed" cross-member, but I could be wrong. You can do a DIY vent extension or a lot of people buy from @Bayouownbeer . he's got a pretty good kit available 👍

Yep. Go with the kit from @Bayouownbeer . Easy install

 

[Bayouownbeer]

What vent kit did everyone use? I’ll order one and put it in. Just seems weird to get water after washing it when the vent ends in a solid metal crossmember. 🤯

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[Smitty335]

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Vent extension kit without filters recommended for 5 seater. Filters not needed your preference. Simple hour install. Great piece of mind knowing your covered.



“The Original” Honda Pioneer 1000/700/500 & Talon Vent Ext. Kit Without filters | eBay



With filters recommended for 3 seater pioneers and the Talon unless you drill three 1/4” holes to put the ends of the tubing into. If you don’t heavy mud you can use the kit without filters and simply turn the ends down 90 degrees.



“The Original” Honda Pioneer 1000/700/500 & Talon Vent Ext. Kit. With filters | eBay



Both heat shields and vent kits package without filters



Honda Pioneer 1000-5&3 Heat Shield's 1&2 + Vent Extension Package Without Filter | eBay





With filters



Honda Pioneer 1000-5&3 Heat Shield's 1&2 + Vent Extension Package With Filters | eBay



Just heat shields. This material is construction grade material very thick 5/16” and durable. Fire class 1 rating



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[JWB]

Hey all, I have read many threads on extending the gas tank vent lines on the p1000-5 but have not done it. I do not ride in deep water. Took the honda out and it started stalling on flat farm fields. Nursed it back to the trailer to get it home.

Symptoms:
1. die intermittently
2. stall with throttle
3. Stall with putting into gear from park
4. Rough idle

Diagnostics and treatments:
1. Battery good
2. Emptied gas tank and noticed just a tiny bit of water separation in the bottom of a clear bottle. Maybe 2% of the volume
3. Refilled with good gas - ran for a bit but then symptoms returned within minutes
4. Pulled the plugs, fouled and burnt looking, so I replaced plugs (most expensive plugs I have ever seen by the way) - runs like a champ since

I looked at the vent line for the gas and it ends in the cross brace behind the seat. I see where people are extending these, but why? How the hell is water getting in there with washing the side by side? It is in an enclosed square metal tube through a hole not much bigger than the tube, I have a hard time seeing how a pressure washer or even a hose gets water in there. Can someone enlighten me on why this happened?

Thanks!!!

Ryan

If you're using E-10 fuel, what you are seeing isn't water, but phase separation. It happens when the ethanol in the fuel has absorbed water from atmosphere, or gas cans or any other source. The phase separation can appear and dissapear depending on temperature if the fuel is right on the edge of water saturation- it can come straight from the pump like this- not often, but possible. What looks like water is actually a mixture of ethanol and water that will make the engine run like pure s**t, and the fuel left behind is low octane crap. If possible, use non-ethanol fuel, and if the machine sits for more than a week at a time, or you use gas cans to store your fuel, always add a stabilizer and fuel system cleaner to your fuel whether it has ethanol or not. I work on boats, and see this issue constantly. Keep in mind, all gasoline has up to 10% ethanol in it, unless specifically stated on the pump that it does not. And, phase separated fuel really likes to foul plugs, is extremely corrosive, and will grow all kinds of amazing stuff in the fuel system that filters won't stop... $$$

 

[TOGR]

Ethanol is a politics-based sham and would be outlawed if those in charge put common sense first. The stuff is less efficient (may increase power slightly), increases food prices, and is harmful in a lot of ways, especially to small engines/carburetors or if stored for any period of time (decide for yourself if this sham is related to the early primary states that are big corn producers...).

Interestingly, even the green folks are now saying adding ethanol is a net negative for the environment, yet it persists. On top of that, our government is currently talking about doing away with the summer restrictions on its use "to save people money at the gas pump." Those summer restrictions were because of smog concerns...what a sham!

Anyway, rather than listening to me just rant on and on about it, here is a "Project Farm" Youtube video about ethanol in gas and the effectiveness of various stabilizers. Project Farm has some great content on a number of subjects:

 

[ckeele223]

Hey all, I have read many threads on extending the gas tank vent lines on the p1000-5 but have not done it. I do not ride in deep water. Took the honda out and it started stalling on flat farm fields. Nursed it back to the trailer to get it home.

Symptoms:
1. die intermittently
2. stall with throttle
3. Stall with putting into gear from park
4. Rough idle

Diagnostics and treatments:
1. Battery good
2. Emptied gas tank and noticed just a tiny bit of water separation in the bottom of a clear bottle. Maybe 2% of the volume
3. Refilled with good gas - ran for a bit but then symptoms returned within minutes
4. Pulled the plugs, fouled and burnt looking, so I replaced plugs (most expensive plugs I have ever seen by the way) - runs like a champ since

I looked at the vent line for the gas and it ends in the cross brace behind the seat. I see where people are extending these, but why? How the hell is water getting in there with washing the side by side? It is in an enclosed square metal tube through a hole not much bigger than the tube, I have a hard time seeing how a pressure washer or even a hose gets water in there. Can someone enlighten me on why this happened?

Thanks!!!

Ryan

Ryan, like some have suggested already, you wouldn't believe how much moisture is created inside a fuel tank due to condensation, and that condensation cycle occurs every single day, as the tank and contents heat and then cool off, I don't know what your politics are on fuel but I wont and haven't ever run this ethanol fuel in anything, with the exception of our everyday transportation car, which is 85% capable. You would not believe what happens to ethanol fuel within a few weeks, and the addition of fuel stabilizer doesn't deter the horrible properties of ethanol fuel, although
I would never consider not using fuel stabilizer, all fuel stabilizer does is prevent oxygen from degrading the surface layer of fuel, the rest of the batch does what is called phase separation, and once separated nothing you can do will repropogate the contents, and the heaviest layer is so corrosive that even stainless steel components are at risk. Just go buy the ethanol free gas and eliminate this eventuality.