P1000 Thinking about a new P1K5 or RZR 1000

[KirkK]

Been lurking here for a while, and have an older Honda Foreman that's been bullet proof. I really like the 5 passenger capacity and short wheelbase of the P1k5. I'm not a racer, but I also don't want a machine that's under-powered.
I have a question on the clutch failures. Has anyone had more than one failure on the same machine? Just trying to figure out if the problem is a factory defect that gets corrected once the clutch has been replaced, or if this will be a recurring problem.

I know the RZRs are far from perfect, but Honda seems to have it's head in the sand with this clutch issue.

My riding is mainly in the desert, where getting stranded miles from a cell signal could be fatal.

Thanks for any insight you can provide!

 

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[Plumber32]

Been lurking here for a while, and have an older Honda Foreman that's been bullet proof. I really like the 5 passenger capacity and short wheelbase of the P1k5. I'm not a racer, but I also don't want a machine that's under-powered.
I have a question on the clutch failures. Has anyone had more than one failure on the same machine? Just trying to figure out if the problem is a factory defect that gets corrected once the clutch has been replaced, or if this will be a recurring problem.

I know the RZRs are far from perfect, but Honda seems to have it's head in the sand with this clutch issue.

My riding is mainly in the desert, where getting stranded miles from a cell signal could be fatal.

Thanks for any insight you can provide!

Both will be great machines. The honda is by no means under powered. But given where you ride id go with the suspension of the razr if your just cruising around . If your more into exploring, id go honda. If you ever had a clutch issue about 3-5% had trouble, but it won't leave you stranded. If your constantly riding 50 mph razr if not pioneer.

 

[chadbo]

Been lurking here for a while, and have an older Honda Foreman that's been bullet proof. I really like the 5 passenger capacity and short wheelbase of the P1k5. I'm not a racer, but I also don't want a machine that's under-powered.
I have a question on the clutch failures. Has anyone had more than one failure on the same machine? Just trying to figure out if the problem is a factory defect that gets corrected once the clutch has been replaced, or if this will be a recurring problem.

I know the RZRs are far from perfect, but Honda seems to have it's head in the sand with this clutch issue.

My riding is mainly in the desert, where getting stranded miles from a cell signal could be fatal.

Thanks for any insight you can provide!

Rumors of a Honda sport next year... if it were so that would be titties

 

[JTW]

You know what you get with Polaris.. they've got suspension and power!! But even after reading the bad posts about the p1k, I bought one.. dad bought one and a neighbor bought one... after buying and driving it. I'm not worried about clutches.. I think 98% of it is probably an early manufacturing issue and some user error... the rest, who knows!?

 

[arizonasteeler]

I ride in the desert of Arizona and love my pioneer 1000 its more on par with the Polaris ranger than a rzr 1000 for performance,if your not riding in the dunes a lot the Honda is more than adequate for anything you will see. i sold my rzr xp 900 and bought my Honda and i'm not disappointed at all the rzr was a great machine with no major problems but the Honda will probably have less issues on longevity only time will tell.

 

[Deer-hunter]

There is one member that has had multiple issues with clutches. I think he is on his third set, but he is on his second machine due to water ingestion. He had no issues with clutches on his first. I've had no issues running 29.5 outlaw 2's in south Louisiana.

 

[KirkK]

I ride in the desert of Arizona and love my pioneer 1000 its more on par with the Polaris ranger than a rzr 1000 for performance,if your not riding in the dunes a lot the Honda is more than adequate for anything you will see. i sold my rzr xp 900 and bought my Honda and i'm not disappointed at all the rzr was a great machine with no major problems but the Honda will probably have less issues on longevity only time will tell.

Out of curiosity, how does the P1k compare to the XP 900 from a performance standpoint?

 

[ohanacreek]

Out of curiosity, how does the P1k compare to the XP 900 from a performance standpoint?

Clearance,travel, and HP all better on the Pioneer.

If just for drag race specs no idea but how often do you drag or hit top speed?

 

[sporttrac4x4]

It's hard to compare a sport model against a utility model if you're just going to go play Get The Polaris RZR but have them throw in some bushings bearings belts and a fire extinguisher.

 

[CumminsPusher]

I honestly don't think too many of the rzr 1000 guys got much seat time this year with all the recalls. Honda is a much more dependable rig even considering problems I've had. Snorkel the thing put heat shield on maybe the shocks for how your riding and go ride. Most aren't having issues

 

[arizonasteeler]

Out of curiosity, how does the P1k compare to the XP 900 from a performance standpoint?

The 2012 xp 900 i had was about 300 lbs lighter and had a claimed 88hp for the dry sump engine and would definitely walk away from the Honda in a race but for AZ desert trail riding the Honda is a smooth machine and way better going down hill with the dct drive, i was following my neighbor in his 2016 50" rzr 900 the other day coming home on the highway going 60 mph or so and stayed right with him but he said he had a lot more pedal left and i had a little bit so that's the best i can compare.

 

[NorthPioneer]

I always find it interesting how people want to compare the Pioneer to the RZR. They are different machines for different purposes, the closer comparison would be the Ranger or even a Can Am Defender. I realize the Ranger 900 is a very similar power plant to the RZR but I believe it is geared differently and the suspension is different just like the maverick and the defender from can am are different. When the Talon hits the trail we can start to compare directly to the RZR lol. Just my 2 cents not trying to start an argument!

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[ohanacreek]

I always find it interesting how people want to compare the Pioneer to the RZR. They are different machines for different purposes, the closer comparison would be the Ranger or even a Can Am Defender. I realize the Ranger 900 is a very similar power plant to the RZR but I believe it is geared differently and the suspension is different just like the maverick and the defender from can am are different. When the Talon hits the trail we can start to compare directly to the RZR lol. Just my 2 cents not trying to start an argument!

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I was comparing the XP900 Ranger not the rzr, you're right BUT for kicks compare the specs on the 900rzr vs the 1000-5, Honda still better IMO. Little less travel comparing the 17's but its Sport vs Utility, so disparity is warranted.

 

[KirkK]

The 2012 xp 900 i had was about 300 lbs lighter and had a claimed 88hp for the dry sump engine and would definitely walk away from the Honda in a race but for AZ desert trail riding the Honda is a smooth machine and way better going down hill with the dct drive, i was following my neighbor in his 2016 50" rzr 900 the other day coming home on the highway going 60 mph or so and stayed right with him but he said he had a lot more pedal left and i had a little bit so that's the best i can compare.

The 2015 & newer 900s were reduced to 75 hp, so I would expect the P1k to keep up pretty well. l definitely like the DCT in the Honda for true 4x4 geared engine braking. That's one of the things I love about my Foreman. Have you found the engine heat in the Pioneer to be a problem for desert trail riding?

I rode today with a neighbor in his RZR 4 800 in the desert. I'm amazed by the ride of the RZRs. They really soak up the trail. I not crazy about the constant drone of the Polaris engine/cvt however. I'm sure the drive train in the P1k would be significantly quieter. How would you compare the P1k to your XP900 suspension-wise for typical desert trail riding, under say 40 mph? (At what point does the Pioneer start to become unsettled?) I really don't plan to go to the dunes in Glamis, but I do enjoy riding at 30-40 mph on desert trails.

Do you know of any Honda dealers in the Phoenix area where I could get a short off-road test ride?

Thanks again for your input.

 

[txsurfer]

As info took mine to some pretty big west Texas dunes and it went everywhere my buddies RZRs and wildcats did

 

[arizonasteeler]

The 2015 & newer 900s were reduced to 75 hp, so I would expect the P1k to keep up pretty well. l definitely like the DCT in the Honda for true 4x4 geared engine braking. That's one of the things I love about my Foreman. Have you found the engine heat in the Pioneer to be a problem for desert trail riding?

I rode today with a neighbor in his RZR 4 800 in the desert. I'm amazed by the ride of the RZRs. They really soak up the trail. I not crazy about the constant drone of the Polaris engine/cvt however. I'm sure the drive train in the P1k would be significantly quieter. How would you compare the P1k to your XP900 suspension-wise for typical desert trail riding, under say 40 mph? (At what point does the Pioneer start to become unsettled?) I really don't plan to go to the dunes in Glamis, but I do enjoy riding at 30-40 mph on desert trails.

Do you know of any Honda dealers in the Phoenix area where I could get a short off-road test ride?

Thanks again for your input.

I have a2016

The 2015 & newer 900s were reduced to 75 hp, so I would expect the P1k to keep up pretty well. l definitely like the DCT in the Honda for true 4x4 geared engine braking. That's one of the things I love about my Foreman. Have you found the engine heat in the Pioneer to be a problem for desert trail riding?

I rode today with a neighbor in his RZR 4 800 in the desert. I'm amazed by the ride of the RZRs. They really soak up the trail. I not crazy about the constant drone of the Polaris engine/cvt however. I'm sure the drive train in the P1k would be significantly quieter. How would you compare the P1k to your XP900 suspension-wise for typical desert trail riding, under say 40 mph? (At what point does the Pioneer start to become unsettled?) I really don't plan to go to the dunes in Glamis, but I do enjoy riding at 30-40 mph on desert trails.

Do you know of any Honda dealers in the Phoenix area where I could get a short off-road test ride?

Thanks again for your input.

The 2015 & newer 900s were reduced to 75 hp, so I would expect the P1k to keep up pretty well. l definitely like the DCT in the Honda for true 4x4 geared engine braking. That's one of the things I love about my Foreman. Have you found the engine heat in the Pioneer to be a problem for desert trail riding?

I rode today with a neighbor in his RZR 4 800 in the desert. I'm amazed by the ride of the RZRs. They really soak up the trail. I not crazy about the constant drone of the Polaris engine/cvt however. I'm sure the drive train in the P1k would be significantly quieter. How would you compare the P1k to your XP900 suspension-wise for typical desert trail riding, under say 40 mph? (At what point does the Pioneer start to become unsettled?) I really don't plan to go to the dunes in Glamis, but I do enjoy riding at 30-40 mph on desert trails.

Do you know of any Honda dealers in the Phoenix area where I could get a short off-road test ride?

Thanks again for your input.

i have a 2016 p3 and yes it was more hot than my 2 seater rzr 900 but with a simple modification 20$ or so from home depot you can buy insulation board to put under neath your front seat and funnel the heat between the back seat and the bed this mod works great on the p3 but on a p5 might make it pretty warm for the rear passengers. and under 15 mph it rides pretty nice but the rzr shine's over 20mph riding and the p3 leaves a little to be desired over 20mph on rocky terrain. i cant say i ever feel unstable in the pioneer the suspension travel and ground clearance is pretty good also the 2017 models offer fox shocks which would improve it a bit.i dont know any dealer around here that lets you test drive but the "AZFG" Arizona fish and game has an event coming up real soon i think that usually has venders that let you try the vehicles out. check out there web site.

 

[KirkK]

I have a2016


i have a 2016 p3 and yes it was more hot than my 2 seater rzr 900 but with a simple modification 20$ or so from home depot you can buy insulation board to put under neath your front seat and funnel the heat between the back seat and the bed this mod works great on the p3 but on a p5 might make it pretty warm for the rear passengers. and under 15 mph it rides pretty nice but the rzr shine's over 20mph riding and the p3 leaves a little to be desired over 20mph on rocky terrain. i cant say i ever feel unstable in the pioneer the suspension travel and ground clearance is pretty good also the 2017 models offer fox shocks which would improve it a bit.i dont know any dealer around here that lets you test drive but the "AZFG" Arizona fish and game has an event coming up real soon i think that usually has venders that let you try the vehicles out. check out there web site.

Thanks for your feedback! That's exactly the type of information I was looking for. I appreciate it!

 

[ebkoz]

If you are considering the RZR you may want to look at the YZX with a geared trans.

 

[JTW]

If you are considering the RZR you may want to look at the YZX with a geared trans.

They're having nothing but trouble out of them!!

 

[Donnie]