P1000 How many times does your pioneer turn over before starting?

[Clew In]

I noticed my pioneer turns over about 3-5 times before starting. Is this normal for the Pioneer 1000-5?

My Honda Foreman is a pain to cold start but once it is warmed up it fires up on the first turn over. Just wondering about the fuel injection on the Pioneer 1000-5.

Rock On,

Tom

 

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[HBarlow]

I think mine also turns over several times before it fires and has since day one. I would NOT describe it as hard starting.

I think that's perfectly normal because with codmputer-controlled fuel injection and ignition the engine has to rotate at least one or two full rotations for the computer to synchronize with crankshaft rotation.

A trained Honda tech can probably explain this better than I can.

I recall having the same concerns you have when I bought a then new '08 Ram w/6.7L Cummins HPCR engine. Previous Cummins engines I had owned started instantly. The 6.7 used a computer-controlled injection system and I learned that it had to rotate a couple of rotations for the computer to synch with the crank.

 

[WagginTail]

Idk about y'all but mine stays on all 4's when I start it 😁

 

[Clew In]

Idk about y'all but mine stays on all 4's when I start it 😁

Funny as a crutch…..

 

[sporttrac4x4]

I noticed my pioneer turns over about 3-5 times before starting. Is this normal for the Pioneer 1000-5?

My Honda Foreman is a pain to cold start but once it is warmed up it fires up on the first turn over. Just wondering about the fuel injection on the Pioneer 1000-5.

Rock On,

Tom

No needs spark plugs or better gas or valve adjustment. Or you're not waiting for the fuel pump when you turn your key.

 

[bumperm]

Dunno. Mine goes "Yeahputta, yeahputta" then either it starts or does one more Yeaputta and then starts.

 

[Robobrainiac]

Mine depends on how cold it is. It turns over more when it's colder outside.

 

[WagginTail]

Dunno. Mine goes "Yeahputta, yeahputta" then either it starts or does one more Yeaputta and then starts.

That must be a new feature on the SE model?

 

[bumperm]

That must be a new feature on the SE model?

I think probably so. The SE and LE both have intelligent 4WD or i4WD for short. Stands to reason that intelligence quite naturally spreads throughout the machine. They are clearly smarter than the more plebian, or as we like to say, shiftier dumbed down models!

I'm gonna catch it for this, aren't I. Let me just apologize now for all the hurt feelings and bouts of constipation etcetera.

 

[WagginTail]

33°F this morning. I turned key on and let the dash and fuel pump cycle. Started on the 3rd "turn over". This is normal for my machine

 

[HBarlow]

33°F this morning. I turned key on and let the dash and fuel pump cycle. Started on the 3rd "turn over". This is normal for my machine

Yep.

Think about it.

Perhaps a Honda tech will correct me if I'm wrong here. I don't think the ignition spark distribution or the fuel injection system are mechanically geared to the crankshaft so there has to be a sensor that picks up a signal as the crankshaft or camshaft rotate. That electrical impulse allows the spark and injection systems to synchronize with the rotation of the crankshaft.

 

[KimberproSS]

Dunno. Mine goes "Yeahputta, yeahputta" then either it starts or does one more Yeaputta and then starts.

Yeputta, mines does the same. Cold start on the fourth Yeaputta almost always. Warm start sometimes one Yeaputta.

 

[Griff]

I noticed my pioneer turns over about 3-5 times before starting. Is this normal for the Pioneer 1000-5?

My Honda Foreman is a pain to cold start but once it is warmed up it fires up on the first turn over. Just wondering about the fuel injection on the Pioneer 1000-5.

Rock On,

Tom

My 2016 P1K-5 has been slow to start since day one.
Even after installing a dual battery setup, there was no difference.
Griff

 

[boostedoxide]

I have a '21 P1000-5 LE. Same thing as you described on mine as well. Colder starts take 2-3 full rotation cycles, warmer starts or starts immediately after shutting off, 1-2 short cycles or instant key blip start if still hot.

That issue was a minor concern for me as soon as it was backed off the delivery trailer. After reading the same thing happening to a few other people it's easy to see that that's just how these vehicles are designed. Not exactly what you would expect from something with a HONDA name, but the pioneer is a very electronic fidgety querky kind of animal. I guess we just have to get used to the new era of electronic ignition and fuel injection 😐

Off topic, but holy mother of God what about that first service interval bill! I forked out over $800 for parts+labor and got out cheap with a military discount..

 

[sporttrac4x4]

I have a '21 P1000-5 LE. Same thing as you described on mine as well. Colder starts take 2-3 full rotation cycles, warmer starts or starts immediately after shutting off, 1-2 short cycles or instant key blip start if still hot.

That issue was a minor concern for me as soon as it was backed off the delivery trailer. After reading the same thing happening to a few other people it's easy to see that that's just how these vehicles are designed. Not exactly what you would expect from something with a HONDA name, but the pioneer is a very electronic fidgety querky kind of animal. I guess we just have to get used to the new era of electronic ignition and fuel injection 😐

Off topic, but holy mother of God what about that first service interval bill! I forked out over $800 for parts+labor and got out cheap with a military discount..

You got ripped off I bet they love you, should be around $300 at the most.

 

[Brianvfr750]

I noticed my pioneer turns over about 3-5 times before starting. Is this normal for the Pioneer 1000-5?

My Honda Foreman is a pain to cold start but once it is warmed up it fires up on the first turn over. Just wondering about the fuel injection on the Pioneer 1000-5.

Rock On,

Tom

On my 700, when it gets colder, cranks probably 3 revolutions, I stop, rotate again starts. I feel like it’s heating combustion chamber (from compression strokes) slightly. Gotta vapor that fuel, even with fuel injection. I always wait till fuel pressure is satisfied too off of ignition switch.

 

[Brianvfr750]

On my 700, when it gets colder, cranks probably 3 revolutions, I stop, rotate again starts. I feel like it’s heating combustion chamber (from compression strokes) slightly. Gotta vapor that fuel, even with fuel injection. I always wait till fuel pressure is satisfied too off of ignition switch.

And, that’s with correct valve lash, and fresh spark plug, 91 no alcohol fuel with Stabil, which I add to fuel cans as soon as I get ‘em home.

 

[Bama-Daniel]

I have a '21 P1000-5 LE. Same thing as you described on mine as well. Colder starts take 2-3 full rotation cycles, warmer starts or starts immediately after shutting off, 1-2 short cycles or instant key blip start if still hot.

That issue was a minor concern for me as soon as it was backed off the delivery trailer. After reading the same thing happening to a few other people it's easy to see that that's just how these vehicles are designed. Not exactly what you would expect from something with a HONDA name, but the pioneer is a very electronic fidgety querky kind of animal. I guess we just have to get used to the new era of electronic ignition and fuel injection 😐

Off topic, but holy mother of God what about that first service interval bill! I forked out over $800 for parts+labor and got out cheap with a military discount..

Sorry bud but you got hosed. Mine was around $180.00. Mines a dumbed down (@bumperm) version though so maybe they felt sorry for me.😂 Wondering if they had to adjust your valves? Pretty sure I only got an oil/filter change.

3 or 4 cranks and my beast is ready to roll.