P1000 Bussmann fuse panel relay issues

[Remington]

im having an issue with my Bussmann. I have 2 of the relay connections not working when powerd up throttle relays. 2 problems along with questions. 1-how can I test the relays to see if one is bad? 2- does someone have a diagram that showes witch relay in the panel goes to witch set of wires? I’ve looked all over and can’t see to find this. Here is a pic of a relay I pulled out. I’ll have to do each one individually to Check them if I can’t identify them .

 

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[SickSecBeamer]

85 and 86 are your pos and neg when you hook them up you should feel or hear the relay click if nothing id say it’s bad

30 87 and 87a is your source to and from


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[SickSecBeamer]

85 and 86 are your pos and neg when you hook them up you should feel or hear the relay click if nothing id say it’s bad

30 87 and 87a is your source to and from


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[Remington]

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Thank you I will try that when I get home much helpful. If knowbody can come up with a diagram as to witch relay on the panel goes to witch color wire, I’ll just have to pull them all to check each, no biggie.

 

[Tramguage1]

Heres the pin diagram for the relay.
Looking for the color codes .

 

[Tramguage1]

I just found this.
I just scanned real fast, but may answer a few of your questions.

DIY Bussmann RTMR Fuse Block, Part 4 – Wiring and Schematics | Bodenzord

 

[ToddACimer]

I just found this.
I just scanned real fast, but may answer a few of your questions.

DIY Bussmann RTMR Fuse Block, Part 4 – Wiring and Schematics | Bodenzord

The Bodenzord write up covers everything you should need in excess detail. I really like reading it when looking at options for my fuse/relay box and the accessories that I have on my machine.

 

[Remington]

So I put power to 85&86 to all the relays and they all clicked so they are working. After testing them I reinstalled them and my rear lights that were not working are now working. So my conclusion with that was that I had a sticking relay and simply putting power to the coils unstuck the one that was stuck. That said tho I’m still not getting any power out of the tan wire that comes from a relay. I may just have a short in the wire I’m thinking?

 

[SickSecBeamer]

They can get stuck a little rap or a jolt will loosen it up.


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[70Bones]

You talking about the 500 or the P1K?

 

[70Bones]

So I put power to 85&86 to all the relays and they all clicked so they are working. After testing them I reinstalled them and my rear lights that were not working are now working. So my conclusion with that was that I had a sticking relay and simply putting power to the coils unstuck the one that was stuck. That said tho I’m still not getting any power out of the tan wire that comes from a relay. I may just have a short in the wire I’m thinking?

If you're talking about the P1K, you won't get power on the brown wire unless the key is turned on. It supplies power directly to the fuel pump, and to the fan relay.

 

[Remington]

If you're talking about the P1K, you won't get power on the brown wire unless the key is turned on. It supplies power directly to the fuel pump, and to the fan relay.

P1. I’m talking about the tan wire on the Bussmann fuse panel thats an aftermarket part

 

[JTW]

P1. I’m talking about the tan wire on the Bussmann fuse panel that aftermarket

If you’re talking about the prewired waterproof bussman box that many of us bought from amazon.. I have the schematic in the shop if you need me to snap a pic.

 

[JTW]

This one?

 

[Tramguage1]

So I put power to 85&86 to all the relays and they all clicked so they are working. After testing them I reinstalled them and my rear lights that were not working are now working. So my conclusion with that was that I had a sticking relay and simply putting power to the coils unstuck the one that was stuck. That said tho I’m still not getting any power out of the tan wire that comes from a relay. I may just have a short in the wire I’m thinking?

If the relay contacts were overloaded or maybe a shot occurred while closed, the contacts could have been damaged. If this is your thought just swap with another relay. If the problem goes away then that's the problem. Also if you suspect a stuck relay I would replace it. We use many of these type replays is my business,. When they cause intermittent problems. The problem always comes back.

 

[Remington]

This one?
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Yup

 

[Remington]

If the relay contacts were overloaded or maybe a shot occurred while closed, the contacts could have been damaged. If this is your thought just swap with another relay. If the problem goes away then that's the problem. Also if you suspect a stuck relay I would replace it. We use many of these type replays is my business,. When they cause intermittent problems. The problem always comes back.

Good point. We change marrs relays also when they stick one time on HVAC jobs. Sounds as if I should treat these the same way

 

[Remington]

If the relay contacts were overloaded or maybe a shot occurred while closed, the contacts could have been damaged. If this is your thought just swap with another relay. If the problem goes away then that's the problem. Also if you suspect a stuck relay I would replace it. We use many of these type replays is my business,. When they cause intermittent problems. The problem always comes back.

do you know where the cheapest place to get replacement relays? I’ve found them on amazon but there a bit pricy for a small relay. Could just be the type?

 

[ToddACimer]

do you know where the cheapest place to get replacement relays? I’ve found them on amazon but there a bit pricy for a small relay. Could just be the type?

I would agree the relays are hard to find, especially for a decent price

I ordered these

Song Chuan 301-1A-C-R1-U03 12VDC Micro 280 SPST 35A Relay (Pack of 3) https://www.amazon.com/dp/B075MZ26DD/?tag=sxsweb24-20

 

[Remington]

I would agree the relays are hard to find, especially for a decent price

I ordered these

Song Chuan 301-1A-C-R1-U03 12VDC Micro 280 SPST 35A Relay (Pack of 3) https://www.amazon.com/dp/B075MZ26DD/?tag=sxsweb24-20

That’s the one I found too