P1000 2016 pioneer 1000 alignment issues !

[PeeWee]

Bought new pioneer 1000, first service and checkup noticed front tires excessive wear on inside of both tires. checked tow and alignment were correct, however camber was way out, upon further inspection found no camber ajustment. also intended to correct by raising shock tortion, and on inspection learned that they have no adjustment either, Now I have become very dissapointed, from what I have researched, it requires new a arms to correct, 49 hrs on unit and front tires are slick on inside. suprising the rear tires still look new, keeping in mind this unit is babied. anyone else had this trouble? or did I get a lemon.

 

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[JTW]

Interesting..

 

[CumminsPusher]

Bought new pioneer 1000, first service and checkup noticed front tires excessive wear on inside of both tires. checked tow and alignment were correct, however camber was way out, upon further inspection found no camber ajustment. also intended to correct by raising shock tortion, and on inspection learned that they have no adjustment either, Now I have become very dissapointed, from what I have researched, it requires new a arms to correct, 49 hrs on unit and front tires are slick on inside. suprising the rear tires still look new, keeping in mind this unit is babied. anyone else had this trouble? or did I get a lemon.

All of them seem very towed out and most dealers aren't adjusting it. That's the number 1 killer of tires not all the other stuff. Adjust that and you won't wear out tires. Easy to do at home

 

[joeymt33]

Bought new pioneer 1000, first service and checkup noticed front tires excessive wear on inside of both tires. checked tow and alignment were correct, however camber was way out, upon further inspection found no camber ajustment. also intended to correct by raising shock tortion, and on inspection learned that they have no adjustment either, Now I have become very dissapointed, from what I have researched, it requires new a arms to correct, 49 hrs on unit and front tires are slick on inside. suprising the rear tires still look new, keeping in mind this unit is babied. anyone else had this trouble? or did I get a lemon.

Welcome to the forum, we are glad you joined.

About the tire wear, I agree with the above post that the toe is probably way out. Unfortunately it happens to be a common issue.

 

[lrandy129]

Bought new pioneer 1000, first service and checkup noticed front tires excessive wear on inside of both tires. checked tow and alignment were correct, however camber was way out, upon further inspection found no camber ajustment. also intended to correct by raising shock tortion, and on inspection learned that they have no adjustment either, Now I have become very dissapointed, from what I have researched, it requires new a arms to correct, 49 hrs on unit and front tires are slick on inside. suprising the rear tires still look new, keeping in mind this unit is babied. anyone else had this trouble? or did I get a lemon.

Have a pic you can post?

 

[moparornocar]

I think my alignment is screwed up as well. It's not wearing tires, but it wanders all over on hardpack or snow. Going to take mine into our local alignment shop and have them set it to 02 civic specs per another member.

 

[lrandy129]

I think my alignment is screwed up as well. It's not wearing tires, but it wanders all over on hardpack or snow. Going to take mine into our local alignment shop and have them set it to 02 civic specs per another member.

Mine wandered a bit; checked it and it was toed out over an inch. Got it to about 1/8" toe-in and it's much better now.

 

[CumminsPusher]

Mine wandered a bit; checked it and it was toed out over an inch. Got it to about 1/8" toe-in and it's much better now.

That's exactly what you want and seems that amount off is what most seem to be off


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[Smitty335]

Bought new pioneer 1000, first service and checkup noticed front tires excessive wear on inside of both tires. checked tow and alignment were correct, however camber was way out, upon further inspection found no camber ajustment. also intended to correct by raising shock tortion, and on inspection learned that they have no adjustment either, Now I have become very dissapointed, from what I have researched, it requires new a arms to correct, 49 hrs on unit and front tires are slick on inside. suprising the rear tires still look new, keeping in mind this unit is babied. anyone else had this trouble? or did I get a lemon.

Are you sure toe in is right, specs are very lose on toe in settings. Camber is a whole another story, there is no adjustment. I believe that toe in is way off. Do you ride a lot of pavement?

 

[Smitty335]

All of them seem very towed out and most dealers aren't adjusting it. That's the number 1 killer of tires not all the other stuff. Adjust that and you won't wear out tires. Easy to do at home

Do you center line and adjust from there. The Service manual has a real lame procedure, from my perspective?

 

[Smitty335]

Do you center line and adjust from there. The Service manual has a real lame procedure, from my perspective?

Yea I'm talking to my self. Self, if the toe in/out was way out / out would it it make the front hunker down and wear in insides of the tires on pavement?

 

[DRAGFOOT]

I think my alignment is screwed up as well. It's not wearing tires, but it wanders all over on hardpack or snow. Going to take mine into our local alignment shop and have them set it to 02 civic specs per another member.

Let me know how this goes with the shop and how they do and how they react to your request. I was thinking on doing the same thing.

 

[1BadDart]

Mine was over 3/4" toed out from the dealer. I set it to 1/8" toed in and it's fine. IMO this a very simple suspension and there is no point in trying to make it more than it is.

 

[CumminsPusher]

Mine was over 3/4" toed out from the dealer. I set it to 1/8" toed in and it's fine. IMO this a very simple suspension and there is no point in trying to make it more than it is.

I agree. Even being brought in it's just really the tow that's concerning.

 

[GPR1500SC]

On this application precision isn't as important as some applications, a neat do it your self trick is to jack up your tire and rotate it while holding something sharp against it like a screw in a 2x4 to scratch a precise ring on the outside of the tire this give you the widest point possible to measure too and if you are using a tape measure it is easier to read then holding it up to the rim.

 

[CumminsPusher]

On this application precision isn't as important as some applications, a neat do it your self trick is to jack up your tire and rotate it while holding something sharp against it like a screw in a 2x4 to scratch a precise ring on the outside of the tire this give you the widest point possible to measure too and if you are using a tape measure it is easier to read then holding it up to the rim.

As long as you drop it back down and roll it a little to let the suspension sag as it normally would before alignment. I know you do that but bringing it up for others so it's not aligned in the air

 

[GPR1500SC]

As long as you drop it back down and roll it a little to let the suspension sag as it normally would before alignment. I know you do that but bringing it up for others so it's not aligned in the air

Thanks for pointing that out CP.
I also might add you want to mark your measuring points horizontally on the tire to so you always go back to the same reference point with out getting a different slant in your measuring tape.

 

[TractorMan]

Thanks for pointing that out CP.
I also might add you want to mark your measuring points horizontally on the tire to so you always go back to the same reference point with out getting a different slant in your measuring tape.

Front tires are wearing bad on mine, back are perfect so I went ahead and checked mine. Same as all the rest, towed out 1/4" on both sides so 1/2" total toe out. Used the string method and set it to a total of 3/16ths. That is 3/32nds on each wheel toed in. Should help with the tire wear I am sure.

 

[gullyjumper]

Question, my right tire is wearing on the middle inside , I have 3 threads showing past the nut so do I adjust it to say 4 threads showing or 2 threads past the nut ?🤔

 

[P1K5Dave]

@gullyjumper I don't think anyone can really answer that based on your description. Wear is a product of toe, camber, tire pressure, etc.

Is your machine all stock, or have you lifted it in any way, or went to larger tires...