P1000 1000-5 Parking brake ideas

[ToddACimer]

I'd like to use this thread to discuss ideas for add on parking brakes on the 1000-5. I'm certain I'm not the only one slightly surprised that the 1000-5 has no locking parking brake. Likewise, I'm somewhat disappointed by the shifter load in park when on hills. I'd like a 4-wheel lock for short duration stops on grades, while winching or any other time when park doesn't seem like the best option.


So here's a quick and dirty idea I had over the last few days. I'd like to use a cam lock or cam locking plunger to hold the brake pedal in place after brake application. Basically the brake would be applied and you would flip the cam lock to maintain brake pedal force. To release you push the pedal and lift the cam lock to the open position. I've seen this concept used on other UTV but never a Pioneer. For test fit purposes, I grabbed a 200lb cam lock with a 1/4" bolt feature and modified it with a rubber stop and a longer bolt. The pedal has room for a mounting feature and I used a vice grip to try a few different positions. I think I'd rather have a cam locking plunger than a pivoting linkage so I'll keep looking for parts but it's a step towards a concept

Any thoughts? The goal is to have a 4 wheel lock for parking on hills and trailering. I know it drives me nuts when the shift gets lodged in park and the machine moves/rolls as soon as I get into a gear.


Has anybody else considered adding a mechanical or cam-lock parking brake to their 1000-5?

Photos attached are the base brake pedal, open cam lock and locked cam lock.

This would be the plunger cam lock that I think could work with a hole drilled in the bracket around the brake pedal.

 

[Admin]

 

[JACKAL]

A mechanically similar design has been used on tractors for decades. Essentially it's just a toothed bar that comes up from underneath. You press the pedal down lift the bar to where the pedal catches a tooth holding it in position. When ready to go, press the pedal, the bar drops free to floorboard allowing pedal to return to resting position.

 

[ohanacreek]

The linelock idea has been implemented which is pretty much the same outcome, using brake system pressure to keep the brakes clamping on the rotors.

 

[JACKAL]

The linelock idea has been implemented which is pretty much the same outcome, using brake system pressure to keep the brakes clamping on the rotors.

Yes but this doesn't intrude on existing brake lines and no cheap CHINA line lock to die as in other thread by that topic.

One could activate the bar with a dash mounted knob via, cable pull to set in place, push brake and knob in to release.

 

[ohanacreek]

I'm still liking Snuffs pinion brake idea even if too advanced for 98% of us.

 

[ToddACimer]

Yes but this doesn't intrude on existing brake lines and no cheap CHINA line lock to dial as in other thread by that topic.

One could activate the bar with a dash mounted knob via, cable pull to set in place, push brake and knob in to release.

I agree, the hydraulic lock solutions seem to add complexity without reliability. I am intrigued by Delton's mechanical line lock but I am not interested in an electronic lock.

 

[ohanacreek]

I agree, the hydraulic lock solutions seem to add complexity without reliability. I am intrigued by Delton's mechanical line lock but I am not interested in an electronic lock.

Electronic line locks don't have the duty cycle to be a parking brake

 

[ToddACimer]

Electronic line locks don't have the duty cycle to be a parking brake

I agree.

 

[ToddACimer]

Yes but this doesn't intrude on existing brake lines and no cheap CHINA line lock to dial as in other thread by that topic.

One could activate the bar with a dash mounted knob via, cable pull to set in place, push brake and knob in to release.

I just ordered this on Amazon as another option for engaging the pedal. We'll see how it looks next week

Clamp-Rite 13020CR Push-Pull Toggle Clamp, Through Hole Mount, 200 lb Holding Capacity: Amazon.com: Industrial & Scientific

 

[JTW]

So this is what I use.. it's a mechanical line lock that taps into the front brakes. It's awesome for trailering or parking on an incline so long as the o-rings are good. The post Jackal is refrains to has been my issues with a couple of these. Seems the o rings are junk and I've had two fail. The first time was on a mother of a hill we had to winch up, thus ending in my clutches going out from having to use the throttle to hold as the brakes were gone when the lock failed. I've since replaced the prongs with "better" rings... we shall see how it does this go around. I'm open to another option but this works great when it's working. A direct linkage mechanical lock would be preferred however.

 

[ToddACimer]

So this is what I use.. it's a mechanical line lock that taps into the front brakes. It's awesome for trailering or parking on an incline so long as the o-rings are good. The post Jackal is refrains to has been my issues with a couple of these. Seems the o rings are junk and I've had two fail. The first time was on a mother of a hill we had to winch up, thus ending in my clutches going out from having to use the throttle to hold as the brakes were gone when the lock failed. I've since replaced the prongs with "better" rings... we shall see how it does this go around. I'm open to another option but this works great when it's working. A direct linkage mechanical lock would be preferred however.

Thanks for your feedback. I agree that a line lock works great when it works but I'd rather not tamper with the brake hydraulics for those what if issues and it sounds like you've experienced some of them.

Likewise my first few pictures probably aren't a great idea without a secondary method to prevent the linkage from engagement. I think the through hole lock can be rotated to engage from left to right with minimal chance of incidental engagement

 

[JTW]

Forgot to post it..

Amazon.com: EMPI 3155 EMPI HYDRAULIC PARK LOCK, VW VOLKSWAGEN SAND RAIL, BAJA, DUNE BUGGY: Automotive

 

[elkaholic]

When I had my RZR (before I left the dark side) there was a company selling a "parking brake" kit that used a lever at dash height attached to the brake pedal to actuate the brakes. I had one and it worked really well. A side benefit was that on a hill one could use the brake as a hand brake.


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[ToddACimer]

New parts showed up over the weekend. I should have a working assembly later today. This toggle plunges through a hole rather than swinging

 

[ToddACimer]

I know there was some negative feedback (also posted on Facebook) on my first idea and I appreciate it. I'm a lot happier with the new path forward and a different toggle.

Here's the bracket I've made

Brake off

Full 180° turn and the brake is on. The plunger applies 200lb force and locks in the locked position

 

[nbomar]

I know there was some negative feedback (also posted on Facebook) on my first idea and I appreciate it. I'm a lot happier with the new path forward and a different toggle.

Here's the bracket I've made
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Brake off

View attachment 52350 Full 180° turn and the brake is on. The plunger applies 200lb force and locks in the locked position
View attachment 52351

Are you going to be selling these?


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[ToddACimer]

Are you going to be selling these?


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I did not have plans to sell these

 

[GlockMeister]

I know there was some negative feedback (also posted on Facebook) on my first idea and I appreciate it. I'm a lot happier with the new path forward and a different toggle.

Here's the bracket I've made
View attachment 52349
Brake off

View attachment 52350 Full 180° turn and the brake is on. The plunger applies 200lb force and locks in the locked position
View attachment 52351

Looks like a good setup. Interested to see how well it works.

 

[ToddACimer]

Looks like a good setup. Interested to see how well it works.

I just took it for a test ride down the road. There's lots of clearance to my feet and it's easy to find under the dash. The mechanism is strong enough to apply brake force with the lever but my intent was only a lock and it easily locks in place with the brake applied. With the brake on the machine will not move by comparison in turf mode in park the machine can rock 4" total front to back. The brake setup eliminates the drivetrain to park pawl motion windup that I disliked about the machine. This modification required no drilling and no modification to the Pioneer. It mounts with existing holes and does not modify the factory braking system.

A few more photos

Locked

Unlocked

Foot clearance

 

[GlockMeister]

I just took it for a test ride down the road. There's lots of clearance to my feet and it's easy to find under the dash. The mechanism is strong enough to apply brake force with the lever but my intent was only a lock and it easily locks in place with the brake applied. With the brake on the machine will not move by comparison in turf mode in park the machine can rock 4" total front to back. The brake setup eliminates the drivetrain to park pawl motion windup that I disliked about the machine. This modification required no drilling and no modification to the Pioneer. It mounts with existing holes and does not modify the factory braking system.

A few more photos

Locked
View attachment 52352

Unlocked
View attachment 52353

Foot clearance
View attachment 52354

I like it! Will it hold the machine if you apply throttle with the machine in gear